Re: [TLS] Request for review: Next Protocol Negotiation Extension

Michael D'Errico <mike-list@pobox.com> Wed, 18 August 2010 21:14 UTC

Return-Path: <mike-list@pobox.com>
X-Original-To: tls@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tls@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0739D3A6A1B for <tls@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:14:22 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IO9LMckw-J0g for <tls@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:14:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com [208.72.237.25]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FA33A6A12 for <tls@ietf.org>; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:14:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6951CE0AB; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:14:54 -0400 (EDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=vJIsSVc+OhYM aoUhEBOEMjSInvQ=; b=wSNa9jggRz5GVOArbsCbGiILSwsdI50/VaxebGczQKJH /sP7raUFG0YTWY7joJI3t67V1513mklN+/cryK57VUbQ1QkLR1xd17kYpF8PWNbK uhBmNS9xQk5TtYpTxbw+dS2tWNVjGM7eVRgeYVC/Jm0A/yg16GpkUx+ISujOKnw=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=message-id:date :from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sasl; b=kgoZrN oKhVsQO7nMSmPesWcVdIrHd72PMG7BzAAMgJenVHuOdkpwnGpjqxpyRsbSRzQrYX ckBbJm8NQv9J/1kt5ZShOxMTgUgrYHR25abZ1y5131rha2mX8bGH+VtFqOinTMgw tKQ25FJyS4irvb6wVUS0f7tICDesfoH4ulZwE=
Received: from a-pb-sasl-quonix. (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942BBCE0AA; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:14:52 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from iMac.local (unknown [24.234.114.35]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2B6FCE0A9; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:14:49 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <4C6C4D48.7050608@pobox.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:14:48 -0700
From: Michael D'Errico <mike-list@pobox.com>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Marsh Ray <marsh@extendedsubset.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5H_0hGzxMmfNU0hLS=5psW6J3c2to756OT--7@mail.gmail.com> <4C69938A.9080808@gnutls.org> <AANLkTin3eQHNJPuVuVw09FbPUF4RBk7n9RFbc7EaFbM+@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTi=dfCZNndm678OFkCZdzRhzfmRvBmZVLUD5-ueF@mail.gmail.com> <4C6AB936.1070801@extendedsubset.com> <AANLkTimgjqQMdwqL_xZXGSG5hSMLqDtYH62t698e_hx9@mail.gmail.com> <4C6AD7EA.4040307@extendedsubset.com> <000401cb3e4f$456f6d60$d04e4820$@briansmith.org> <4C6B1BAA.5060303@pobox.com> <AANLkTi=QzEmzuhX=rKkTFjVvWxP5r_0zcVHq00L-4JoS@mail.gmail.com> <4C6C2FDA.6070307@pobox.com> <AANLkTimjsbg7EErv-kb46TtYG=HPVP-XE0L3+5sJSYF=@mail.gmail.com> <4C6C3739.4040205@pobox.com> <AANLkTimjUkw+WBnYc5Oy69u8SoWBhXzheuRRao9w+Vfy@mail.gmail.com> <4C6C420E.9040509@pobox.com> <4C6C47A4.9080407@extendedsubset.com>
In-Reply-To: <4C6C47A4.9080407@extendedsubset.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Pobox-Relay-ID: A46AC92E-AB0D-11DF-8D54-9056EE7EF46B-38729857!a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com
Cc: tls@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [TLS] Request for review: Next Protocol Negotiation Extension
X-BeenThere: tls@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is the mailing list for the Transport Layer Security working group of the IETF." <tls.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls>, <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls>
List-Post: <mailto:tls@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls>, <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:14:22 -0000

Marsh Ray wrote:
> On 08/18/2010 03:26 PM, Michael D'Errico wrote:
> 
>> THAT is what you should be working on. Prediction. If I've clicked
>> the same link every morning for the past 18 months, what are the odds
>> that I'm going to click it today? 100%. And even if for some reason
>> I don't, I'm not going to be at all upset that my browser fetched the
>> page for me.
> 
> Sounds like you were reading:
> 
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704901104575423294099527212.html 
> 
> No thank you :-)

No, no, no, not at all what I was suggesting.

For example, I open a link to my spam folder every morning so I can check
for false positives.  That page takes forever to load, so waiting for it
is tedious.  I'd like that page to start loading the instant my computer
knows I'm sitting in front of it.  Same thing for a few other pages.  By
the time I actually get to my browser, these pages that I look at every
morning could all be there fully rendered, so I don't have to wait even a
millisecond.

[Since this is off topic, I won't further comment on it.]

Mike