Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests

Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> Wed, 04 March 2020 21:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests
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> On Mar 4, 2020, at 15:43, Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 03:22:33PM -0500, Sean Turner wrote:
>>> On Mar 4, 2020, at 15:15, Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 05:09:35PM +0000, Salz, Rich wrote:
>>>>>   Must the ticket reuse use case be addresses
>>>>    in draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests?
>>> 
>>> I'm missing this post in my inbox, so I shall reply to Rich Salz's
>>> reply.  Thanks for having this LC.
>> 
>> I forwarded it directly to you.
> 
> Ah, it had landed in my spam folder.  Thanks.
> 
>>> Can we also ask why or why not?  Of course, some of us have already
>>> explained our positions, but I am interested in the rationales for any
>>> new yes/no/don't-cares.
>> 
>> If people have something new reason to add sure, but I would rather
>> not rehash all the previous emails.
> 
> Certainly anyone voicing new opinions should provide a rationale.
> 
> That's part of how we find consensus.  We're not counting votes.
> 
> Nico
> -- 

Nico,

Luckily we’re not just counting votes.

People are free to add, as they way more often than not do, as much rationale as they would like. They can add their own personal rationale, refer to another already provided, or not.

spt