Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests
Victor Vasiliev <vasilvv@google.com> Wed, 04 March 2020 19:34 UTC
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 14:33:59 -0500
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Subject: Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests
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No. -- Victor. On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:07 AM Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote: > one more time ... > > All, > > The purpose of this message is to help the chairs judge consensus on the > way forward for draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests. The issue at hand is whether > the client-initiated ticket request mechanism [0] should be modified to add > support for ticket reuse, see [1] lines 160-214. As we see it, the way > forward involves either one draft or two. To that end, we would like your > input (YES or NO) on the following question by 2359 UTC 18 March 2020: > > Must the ticket reuse use case be addresses > in draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests? > > Full disclosure: RFC 8446 recommends against ticket reuse to help protect > clients from passive observers correlating connections [2]. The PR supports > ticket reuse for use cases for a server-to-server connection that has fixed > source addresses and no connection racing; if adopted the WG will need to > ensure that the security considerations are properly documented. > > Note: There have been at least three threads on this draft [3][4][5]. > Please, let’s try to avoid re-litigating the points made therein. > > Joe & Sean > > [0] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests/ > [1] https://github.com/tlswg/draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequest/pull/18 > [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8446#appendix-C.4 > [3] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/2cpoaJRushs09EFeTjPr-Ka3FeI/ > [4] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/-7J3gMmpHNw9t3URzxvM-3OaTR8/ > [5] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/FjhqbYYTwzgiV9weeCuxn0tHxPs/ > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >
- [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-request Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-request Sean Turner
- [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketreques… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Daniel Migault
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Christopher Wood
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… David Schinazi
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Carrick Bartle
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Carrick Bartle
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Victor Vasiliev
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Christopher Wood
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Nick Harper
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Nick Harper
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Nick Harper
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Jeremy Harris
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] [EXTERNAL] Re: consensus call: draft-ie… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Kyle Nekritz
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Nick Harper
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Nick Harper
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: (not precluding ticket … Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] consensus call: draft-ietf-tls-ticketre… Sean Turner