Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SSL/TLS session
Eric Rescorla <ekr@networkresonance.com> Mon, 15 January 2007 19:05 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SSL/TLS session
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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@networkresonance.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:05:24 -0800
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<home_pw@msn.com> writes: >>> > You say choked, I say graceful fail. >>> >>> No, I don't agree with this analysis. The server being unwilling >>> to resume a session is normal behavior. The TLS state machine >>> explicitly handles such cases. Implementations which choke >>> rather than doing a full handshake are broken. >> >> I fully agree with Eric that a client MUST deal gracefully with >> a server that does not resume a proposes SSL session (ID) for >> whatever reason. > > > Show me the text in the standard that says MUST (or even half hints > MUST from the English wording). Tell me it MUST apply to EAP-TLS, > too. More importantly, tell me what "appropriate" and "graceful" then > mean, for packets on the wire. Tell me what the server MUST do, if the > client does not comply. Your both making this out to be security- or > interoperability- critical (it's a MUST, Peter!!) > > Eric is clear that this is not a new concept (for novel discussion); > but an ancient one. It must be pretty obviously disclosed, or have > been improved (by now) due to the years of text review. > > Now, for my part, I already pointed out text that says, I the > implementer have 100% control over open and closing > connections. NOTHING IN THIS STANDARD SHALL ... RFC 4346 S 7.3. If a match is found, and the server is willing to re-establish the connection under the specified session state, it will send a ServerHello with the same Session ID value. At this point, both client and server MUST send change cipher spec messages and proceed directly to finished messages. Once the re-establishment is complete, the client and server MAY begin to exchange application layer data. (See flow chart below.) If a Session ID match is not found, the server generates a new session ID and the TLS client and server perform a full handshake. In other words, refused session resumptions are totally normal behavior. Clients which treat them as anomalous are confused. Yes, a client can terminate the connection at any time and for any reason, including that it doesn't like the phase of the moon, but that doesn't make the assumption that a server will always resume a session---presenting an error to the user if it doesn't---any less insane. No such error occurred. -Ekr _______________________________________________ TLS mailing list TLS@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls
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- [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SSL/TL… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… home_pw
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… home_pw
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… home_pw
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… home_pw
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… home_pw
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… home_pw
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… home_pw
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… Kyle Hamilton
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… home_pw
- Re: [TLS] Re: when is it ok to resume a cached SS… Martin Rex
- RE: [TLS] Question on Stateless TLS Session Resum… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [TLS] when is it ok to resume a cached SSL/TL… Martin Rex