Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts

Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Tue, 02 April 2019 21:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts
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FWIW, Meetecho already produces a playback application that gets you 
several of the features that Tom has described. See, e.g.:

https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120

You can find these on the IETF HTML Agenda by clicking on the "M" 
meetecho button.

/a


On 4/2/19 12:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:
>
> Tools team:
>
> Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the 
> IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos and 
> what we might strive for that's better.
>
> Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are 
> currently?
>
> Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer to 
> what Tom describes?
>
> RjS
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	Re: Meetecho Thoughts
> Date: 	Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400
> From: 	Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com>
> To: 	Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>
>
>
> Certainly. The more awareness the better.
>
> Tom
>
>
>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
>>
>> Got it.
>>
>> May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to Russ)?
>>
>> RjS
>>
>> On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
>>> Robert,
>>> I probably shouldn’t have mentioned SMIL because that’s a solution 
>>> not a problem. I’m not trying to dictate a solution, only an open 
>>> format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in 
>>> more useful ways. I’ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and that’s 
>>> doable but there’s very little information in them anymore.
>>>
>>> I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking at 
>>> the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter.
>>>
>>> My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and have 
>>> a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current mode 
>>> which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user experience. 
>>> Youtube videos don’t play well with mobile data plans when mostly 
>>> what you want is audio and synchronized slides.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tom -
>>>>
>>>> If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and 
>>>> capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive 
>>>> (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the 
>>>> tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is quite 
>>>> large.
>>>>
>>>> RjS
>>>>
>>>> On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
>>>>> Robert,
>>>>> I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick 
>>>>> meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from 
>>>>> Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per 
>>>>> session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my goals 
>>>>> align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time about this?
>>>>>
>>>>> I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I 
>>>>> would like to do something better and think if we could get 
>>>>> separate output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, we 
>>>>> might be able to experiment a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, 
>>>>> remote participation meetings, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Audio
>>>>> Slides
>>>>> Video
>>>>> Jabber comments
>>>>> Events
>>>>> • Each speaker at the front of the room
>>>>> • Each person coming to the microphone in the audience
>>>>> • Slide changes
>>>>>
>>>>> All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media and 
>>>>> events.
>>>>>
>>>>> Examples:
>>>>> Audio only for low bandwidth consumption
>>>>> Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4)
>>>>> Overlay jabber messages synchronized
>>>>> Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics
>>>>>
>>>>> One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough for 
>>>>> best user experience in app integration
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