Re: [Tools-discuss] updated Word template and tools

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

On 2007-02-13 18:07, Joe Touch wrote:
> 
> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> Joe,
>>
>> I don't see the analogy with any BCPs - they are rules, whereas
>> xml2rfc, your template, and the various nroff templates still around
>> are just tools - very useful tools - but are they archival material?
> 
> The tools no. The RFCs describing the tools - presumably in a
> non-versionspecific way - yes.
> 
>> I would ask the same question of RFC2629 if it came up today; in fact
>> it's out of date, which sort of proves my point. I'm sure there are other
>> RFCs that are also in this class. That's why we invented IONs, in fact.
> 
> Who's "we", and where are IONs?

"We" is presumably the IETF community, since RFC 4693 was approved
after a last call debate. The main culprits were Harald Alvestrand,
Cullen Jennings and myself.

http://www.ietf.org/IESG/content/ions.html

    Bfrian
> 
> Joe
> 
>>    Brian
>>
>> On 2007-02-13 16:26, Joe Touch wrote:
>>> Although the template can continue to be updated to track boilerplate,
>>> the description of what the template is and how it was designed should
>>> be as stable as many other RFCs.
>>>
>>> I.e., to the extent that the BCP78 docs are RFCs, this should as well.
>>> If we did have a series solely for RFC administration purposes, then
>>> both should be moved there.
>>>
>>> In summary, I intend to submit this for publication as an Informational
>>> RFC. That is the meaning behind "final".
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>>> Joe,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure anything like this is ever truly 'final' though.
>>>> It seems like the sort of updatable materal that IONs are aimed
>>>> at.
>>>>
>>>>      Brian
>>>>
>>>> On 2007-02-12 23:54, Joe Touch wrote:
>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>
>>>>> A new version of my Word template is now available; it includes:
>>>>>
>>>>>    - moved boilerplate to regular text to make it easier
>>>>>      for authors to track the evolution of BCP 78
>>>>>    - added Intended status: header item
>>>>>    - added acknowledgement of use of this template
>>>>>
>>>>> updated ID:
>>>>> http://www.isi.edu/touch/pubs/draft-touch-msword-template-v2.0-05.txt
>>>>>
>>>>> updated template:
>>>>> http://www.isi.edu/touch/tools/2-Word-v2.0.template.dot
>>>>> (this is always the most up-to-date one, if you just want to link it
>>>>> in)
>>>>>
>>>>> perl post-processor:
>>>>> http://www.isi.edu/touch/tools/2-Word-post-v2.0.pl
>>>>> (same thing - always updated)
>>>>>
>>>>> Feedback would be appreciated. This version appears to be final, and
>>>>> will likely be submitted for publication as an RFC. Comments welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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