Re: [Tools-discuss] updated Word template and tools

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

On 2007-02-14 15:35, Joe Touch wrote:
> 
> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> On 2007-02-13 18:07, Joe Touch wrote:
>>> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>>> Joe,
>>>>
>>>> I don't see the analogy with any BCPs - they are rules, whereas
>>>> xml2rfc, your template, and the various nroff templates still around
>>>> are just tools - very useful tools - but are they archival material?
>>> The tools no. The RFCs describing the tools - presumably in a
>>> non-versionspecific way - yes.
>>>
>>>> I would ask the same question of RFC2629 if it came up today; in fact
>>>> it's out of date, which sort of proves my point. I'm sure there are
>>>> other
>>>> RFCs that are also in this class. That's why we invented IONs, in fact.
>>> Who's "we", and where are IONs?
>> "We" is presumably the IETF community, since RFC 4693 was approved
>> after a last call debate. The main culprits were Harald Alvestrand,
>> Cullen Jennings and myself.
>>
>> http://www.ietf.org/IESG/content/ions.html
> 
> That was agreed to as an experiment. There doesn't appear to be a
> process in place for these as yet.

Well, we have three approved ones so far, and two more just exited
public comment.

> 
> I'll consider participating in that track after BCP 78 is in that
> series; that will convince me it exists and that it's ready for use.

Joe, by definition, a BCP will *never* be an ION. IONs are not for
rules; they are only for operational procedures.

     Brian

> Joe
> 
>>>>    Brian
>>>>
>>>> On 2007-02-13 16:26, Joe Touch wrote:
>>>>> Although the template can continue to be updated to track boilerplate,
>>>>> the description of what the template is and how it was designed should
>>>>> be as stable as many other RFCs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I.e., to the extent that the BCP78 docs are RFCs, this should as well.
>>>>> If we did have a series solely for RFC administration purposes, then
>>>>> both should be moved there.
>>>>>
>>>>> In summary, I intend to submit this for publication as an Informational
>>>>> RFC. That is the meaning behind "final".
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure anything like this is ever truly 'final' though.
>>>>>> It seems like the sort of updatable materal that IONs are aimed
>>>>>> at.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2007-02-12 23:54, Joe Touch wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A new version of my Word template is now available; it includes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - moved boilerplate to regular text to make it easier
>>>>>>>      for authors to track the evolution of BCP 78
>>>>>>>    - added Intended status: header item
>>>>>>>    - added acknowledgement of use of this template
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> updated ID:
>>>>>>> http://www.isi.edu/touch/pubs/draft-touch-msword-template-v2.0-05.txt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> updated template:
>>>>>>> http://www.isi.edu/touch/tools/2-Word-v2.0.template.dot
>>>>>>> (this is always the most up-to-date one, if you just want to link it
>>>>>>> in)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> perl post-processor:
>>>>>>> http://www.isi.edu/touch/tools/2-Word-post-v2.0.pl
>>>>>>> (same thing - always updated)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Feedback would be appreciated. This version appears to be final, and
>>>>>>> will likely be submitted for publication as an RFC. Comments welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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