Re: [Tools-discuss] structured contributor section --- auto-reference to DT/Person?

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Fri, 30 October 2020 17:54 UTC

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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] structured contributor section --- auto-reference to DT/Person?
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 06:33:27PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
>     > So, are you suggesting that the tools team should add to the list of
>     > RFC "authored" on a datatracker person page also the list of draft/RFC
>     > contributed to ?
> 
> I dunno: there were lots of objections last year, but a major one was what
> about the previous 8000 RFCs?

that is a great argument. Translatef from german it is the manslaughter argument.

"das haben wir noch nie so gemacht"         - "we have never done that"
"das haben wir immer schon anders gemacht"  - "we have always done it differently"
"da koennte ja jeder kommen"                - "who are you ?"

>  So, it would be nice if could fix this for the next 8000.

Note that the (I) in IETF does not stand for Innovation.

>     > If yes, then +1. As a WG chair i think any incentives we can give to get
>     > more contributors is highly desirable for IETF.
> 
> That's what I hope.

But who wants to revive the IETF.

>     >> On the contributor side, it would be nice if they knew that their name was
>     >> there, in part so that they could object!
> 
>     > Except i don't buy the "they could object" part. I don't think one
>     > should add contributors without having a good upfront understanding
>     > that its a) true, and b) welcome. And then of course also send
> 
> With such strong connection, I could get a notice when my name goes in.
> That would allow errors to be corrected.
> It could be that they got the wrong person. (Do you who actor "Michael Richards" is?)

;-) 

> There have been cases where people have inserted co-authors to attempt to
> imply approval!

Yes indeed. I guess what i wanted to say is that automatic tooling should not
be used as an excuse NOT to also reach out explicitly to folks who you
think deserve to be contributors and let them know.

Cheers
    Toerless

> Nobody lets me do UX since I started using Dark Golden Rod as my background.
> 
>     >> This is just stuff to code, no changes to the XML scheme required, AFAIK.
> 
>     > Is there an API on datatracker to look up a person from an email address
>     > so a renderer could find a person that way ? Could be used both
>     > from the kramdown script as well as from a later renderer.
> 
> Yes, I think that there is already.
> And I think the DT has some GDRP controls on it already.
> 
> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
>            Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide



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