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Re: [Tools-discuss] Google Scholar not indexing Internet-Drafts

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 30 July 2021 11:35 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Google Scholar not indexing Internet-Drafts
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> Clearly, Google Scholar should be taught to find the canonical RFCs at https://rfc-editor.org/rfc - having many secondary copies is an SEO anathema.

Right.  I hope some sitemaps will help.

> Internet-Drafts, hmm.  Many are not arxiv quality, and we don’t want the 
> I-D repository as a dumping ground for people who just want to get their 
> garbage into Scholar.  But the main problem is that the references to 
> the drafts will stay active even when the RFC has been published(*) (or 
> the I-D replaced), so we should be very careful with what we offer under 
> the URI that will be indexed.

I agree they're not what Scholar is looking for.

I'm not worried about people gaming it, you should be able to get anything 
into Scholar if you put it on a web server with the right metadata, but 
the last thing I want is yet another reason people will imagine that every 
I-D is an Internet Standard.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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