Re: [Tools-discuss] Time in States on Datatracker

[John C Klensin <[e-mail]>]

--On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 16:15 -0700 Bob Hinden
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Greg,
> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It no longer shows how long a document has been in a
>>>>> particular state. Is this a bug or was it removed
>>>>> purposely?
>>>> 
>>>> Lars put a great deal of downward pressure on the visual
>>>> complexity of these tables. If this is a bit of data you
>>>> really needed on those tables, please raise it as an issue,
>>>> and we'll work to find the middle ground (as we've just
>>>> done at https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/pull/4069
>>>> for example).
>>> 
>>> Will do.
>> 
>> Hi Bob,
>> 
>> I notice the info is available on roll-over of the hour
>> glass, in case that helps.
>> 
>> And it looks like the hour glasses are color-coded to give
>> hints at a glance, which is neat.
> 
> Thanks, I missed that completely.   I had no idea it would do
> that.   The hour class doesn't show for most documents, I
> assume only shows if they exceed some limit.
> 
> This is way to subtle IMHO.

Agreeing with "too subtle", let me raise my usual question: how
is a relative newcomer to the IETF and/or the tool supposed to
know this?"

More broadly, would it be useful to ask that every change that
might result in a reduction in functionality (or in obvious
access to information) be announced to the community in advance
with an opportunity for comment rather than deployed,
effectively seeing if anyone screaming in agony?  If nothing
else and with respect to Lars (and I generally agree with his
design taste), making design decisions based on "downward
pressure" is a little bit more top-down than the IETF is
supposed to operate.  That is especially problematic when the
pressure and decisions are invisible to the community until
after the fact.
 
  john