Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces page-count?
Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Mon, 12 April 2021 17:13 UTC
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From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 13:12:16 -0400
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To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces page-count?
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On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 12:46 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote: > On 2021-04-12, at 16:55, Richard Barnes <richard.barnes@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Lawyers and judges are happy to cite by section. Time to move on from > tired, inaccurate metaphors. > > Yes, but assessing the size of a document (which is what this thread is > about) by section count doesn’t work so well. The page count of the PDF is > the only ready-made metric we have today. Putting in another metric (e.g., > word count(*)) might be helpful. > I must admit that Richard's mail really annoyed me -- I started writing a replay, but then realized that it was ranty and not likely to change anyone's views. I've now calmed down somewhat, and so will try and explain. The tone of "Time to move on from tired, inaccurate metaphors" smacks of stating a position as fact, and that disagreement means that you are stuck in the dark ages / ab absurdo. I've been using page count as a metric for tracking the amount of document review I've performed, how much I'm reading, etc. Yes, it's not a perfect metric, but it's one I've been using and is "good enough" for letting me know roughly how much I've reviewed this month versus last month, how much I've read in total, etc. I've got a system, and it works *for me*. I really disliked the tone of "Time to move on from..." - I understand that Richard doesn't happen like this metric - but I'm disappointed that, increasingly, if you don't agree with someone in the IETF, the tone pivots to implying that there is something wrong with them, or that they are stupid, or similar... W > > Grüße, Carsten > > (*) ...where that often doesn’t actually count words but characters and > then divides that count by 6 (or 5!), which better copes with different > complexity grades. > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > -- The computing scientist’s main challenge is not to get confused by the complexities of his own making. -- E. W. Dijkstra
- [Tools-discuss] what metric replaces page-count? Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Nico Williams
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Richard Barnes
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Warren Kumari
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Nico Williams
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Nico Williams
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Nico Williams
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Julian Reschke
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … tom petch
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] what metric replaces … Nico Williams