Re: [Tools-implementation] Organization of the mail archives

[Robert Sparks <[e-mail]>]

On 9/1/20 12:51 PM, Glen wrote:
> Separate subthread:
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 10:31 AM Robert Sparks <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>                       Email    Mailman    /a/mailman/archives Mailman Legacy Archives
>> This has to remain - it is where mailman's internal archiving takes
>> place - any lists using pipermail are kept here, so Legacy isn't really
>> accurate above
> Point of clarification:
> *All lists use pipermail in that Ryan has said that Mailman2's
> internal archiver cannot be shut off or replaced.
> But
> *No lists use pipermail in that /pipermail is not served from anywhere
> in the Apache config, and all references to /pipermail are redirected
> to the Mailarchive.
>
> So we cannot move or remove, but can safely ignore, everything inside
> /a/mailman it seems.

Thank you!

But I'm still a bit concerned about one thing. I had it in my head that 
there were still some active, or only recently (~5yrs) dormant lists 
that only existed outside what mailarchive was ingesting. If that's not 
true, I'll be relieved. Ryan (or anyone else) - do you remember any such 
thing and can you point to it?


>
>>>>                       FTP    FTP/Website combined /a/www/ietf-ftp/concluded-wg-ietf-mail-archive        ftp, rsync    none    NOT exposed by http
> Forgive me, I might be misreading "NOT exposed by http," but:
> https://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/concluded-wg-ietf-mail-archive/
Old notes - clearly no longer correct. At the time, they said 
"http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp goes to ietf-ftp/ietf".
>
>> These have all been imported, and are served through the mailarchive.
>> These should be stashed. I personally don't think we should serve them
>> in any way since they are available through the mailarchive.
> +1 I agree they should be removed from FTP, RSYNC, and HTTP, and not served.
>
>>>>                       FTP    FTP/Website combined /a/www/ietf-ftp/ietf-mail-archive    Contains text versions of mail archive    ftp, rsync    night-runner    All web access is to the /a/www/ietf-mail-archive tree, which this is a copy of
>> This should go away as soon as ftp stops depending on it (and we had
>> another conversation about removing it already).
>>>>                       Email    Mailarchive /a/www/ietf-mail-archive    Legacy mail archive
>>>>                       Email    Mailarchive /a/www/ietf-mail-archive/text
>>>>                       Email    Mailarchive /a/www/ietf-mail-archive/text-secure
>>>>                       Email    Mailarchive /a/www/ietf-mail-archive/web
>>>>                       Email    Mailarchive /a/www/ietf-mail-archive/web-old
>>>>                       Email    Mailarchive /a/www/ietf-mail-archive/web-secure
>>>> Again, has all of that been imported, and can all of this simply be removed (or stashed offline)?
>> All of this should be stashed. Everything here, with the possible
>> exception of things in web-old have been imported into mailarchive. Ryan
>> is looking at making sure those get imported. Once that's done, all of
>> these should either be taken offline or put in the museum.
> +1.
>
> I assume I should do the "taking offline".  How will I know when to
> proceed with that?  Robert, I assume you will oversee that?
Yes. Right now we are still trying to understand, and that understanding 
will build a plan. I talk about what I think _should_ happen above as a 
proposal to that plan, not as directives to take action now.
>
> Glen
>