Re: [tsvwg] A New Draft Uploaded (draft-qiang-tsvwg-udp-options-bounded-latency-00)

"qiangli (D)" <qiangli3@huawei.com> Mon, 11 March 2019 01:54 UTC

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Thanks Joe,  may I understand your comments as your support for this approach --- “pre-compute the sending cycles along the way, then carry them with multiple SC options." ?  If that so, I’m glad to make modification accordingly.


>> The values you want to request are from the "unassigned" range.
I see. Thank you!



Best regards,

Cristina QIANG

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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] A New Draft Uploaded (draft-qiang-tsvwg-udp-options-bounded-latency-00)


Notes below...
On 3/8/2019 2:44 AM, qiangli (D) wrote:

"One way to relieve in-transit rewriting is to pre-compute the sending

    cycles along the way, then carry them with multiple SC options."



The 2 bits' value will be changed/rewritten hop-by-hop, that is what we call " in-transit rewriting " ---- SWAP method

We may use STACK method to reduce such " in-transit rewriting ". Will refine this part in 01 version.

UDP options MUST NOT change in-transit. (anything that does change in-transit would not be eligible for a UDP option KIND assignment).

So it would be useful for this rev to describe ONLY the case where it is immutable.



why it wouldn’t be sufficient to just request the next open value?

The reason that why we wrote "127" is "127-253" is a reserved region defined in draft-ietf-tsvwg-udp-options-06,

...

I'll note that "reserved" means you won't get those; they're set aside for base protocol extensions (i.e., updates to the UDP option definition itself, rather than individual options).

The values you want to request are from the "unassigned" range.

Joe