Re: [tsvwg] draft-ietf-tsvwg-nqb-15.txt - 5.1 Primary Requirements, Forwarding - Departure rate

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Hi Greg,



draft NQB is on standards track. Please specify the weights to be set for NQB and QB scheduler by requirements:

- some generic text, not based on any implementation (which I think is roughly there). I'd appreciate text stating that QB/NQB share the same overall resources, are configured by the same priority, weight (or minimum departure rate) and also are equipped by the same priority and weight to access spare capacity. There's some text in the draft, but it is not very precise.


- to that a clarification related to your response: you write
[GW] It can be set to whatever ratio the network operator chooses (e.g. 50/50) in the case that L4S support is disabled.
Please clarify "whatever" in the sense of standard track NQB: which range of NQB/QB WRR weight configurations is compliant with this draft standard? My perception was exactly 50/50, but "whatever" seems to allow for arbitrary configurations.

- I'd strongly suggest that you provide an example traceable for a fair share of readers, which from my perception is good practice of other RFC authors. You reference the DOCSIS L4S implementation, a WRR scheduler with 50/50 weights (and the same for access to spare capacity) seem good to me.



Regards,



Ruediger





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Hi Ruediger,

See my responses below [GW].

-Greg



On 4/5/23, 6:12 AM, "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]%20%3cmailto:[e-mail]%3e>" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]%20%3cmailto:[e-mail]>>> wrote:

Hi Greg,



Section "7.7.3.2 Inter-SF Scheduler" of CM-SP-MULPIv3.1-I24-221019 contains the following statement:



coupling .... the Classic Service Flow to the Low Latency Service Flow, it relies on the Inter-SF Scheduler to balance this. Weighted Round Robin (WRR) is a simple scheduler that achieves the desired results, and is recommended in [draft-ietf-tsvwg-aqm-dualq-coupled].



The above text covers L4S, not straight NQB.

- Please explain how this WRR scheduler is configured to support straight NQB/QB without L4S being configured.

[GW] The WRR in DOCSIS has a configurable weight.  It can be set to whatever ratio the network operator chooses (e.g. 50/50) in the case that L4S support is disabled.



- If there's no WRR scheduler, then please explain how an implementer ensures that NQB and QB fairly share the same resource, while each operate with separate queues. I'm especially interested in the part "no configurable service rate/weight etc." for the NQB queue. An example is sufficient, maybe one including a WRR scheduler, if applicable.

[GW] Aside from WRR mentioned above, perhaps a TS-FIFO could be used?  I have to admit that I've not thought about other scheduler options extensively.



- if WRR can't be used to realise separate NQB/QB queues for an implementation, please let me know, why this isn't possible.



Regards,

Ruediger





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Hi Ruediger,





FYI I've added an issue in the GitHub tracker to ensure this gets resolved.

https://github.com/gwhiteCL/NQBdraft/issues/32 <https://github.com/gwhiteCL/NQBdraft/issues/32>









I'll try to answer your question.





[RFC2598]: The EF PHB is defined as a forwarding treatment for a particular

diffserv aggregate where the departure rate of the aggregate's

packets from any diffserv node must equal or exceed a configurable

rate. The EF traffic SHOULD receive this rate independent of the

intensity of any other traffic attempting to transit the node. It

SHOULD average at least the configured rate when measured over any

time interval equal to or longer than the time it takes to send an

output link MTU sized packet at the configured rate. (Behavior at

time scales shorter than a packet time at the configured rate is

deliberately not specified.) The configured minimum rate MUST be

settable by a network administrator (using whatever mechanism the

node supports for non-volatile configuration).





[NQB]: ... the NQB PHB provides a shallow-buffered, best-effort service as a complement to a Default deep-buffered best-effort service. ... A node supporting the NQB PHB makes no guarantees on latency or data rate for NQB-marked flows, but instead aims to provide an upper-bound to queuing delay for as many such marked flows as it can and shed load when needed.





So, NQB PHB does not have a configurable departure rate, nor does it guarantee that NQB traffic will receive any particular departure rate, regardless of the presence of other traffic of any intensity.





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