Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG option
Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> Sat, 16 March 2019 16:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG option
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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 9:11 PM C. M. Heard <heard@pobox.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 9:26 AM C. M. Heard <heard@pobox.com> wrote: > > I'd like to float a different idea, namely, putting the UDP user data > > inside the FRAG option itself. > > Well, that proposal was rather obviously flawed by limiting fragment > sizes to ~240 bytes. My apologies. I withdraw the FRAG proposal in > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tsvwg/JZ8ohgwMs9eRPRQ6KJDqUZTJxSk > > However, I think that the following simpler version will actually work: > maintain the format of the FRAG option as currently defined, but instead > of having the option capture preceding conventional or LITE user data as > fragment data, insist that it appear ***last*** in the option list and > have it capture all remaining octets in the packet as fragment data. By > convention, if this option appears, OCS would cover all UDP options as > well as all octets in the UDP trailer that follow the FRAG option. > > The following requirements would apply: > > >> When the FRAG option appears, it MUST come last in the UDP options > list. All remaining options in the packet are interpreted as fragment > data. > Hi Mike, Thinking about this, it occurs to me be that the LITE option isn't needed. The assumption in the UDP options draft is that a receiver needs the UDP payload to immediately follow the UDP header, but the UDP payload can be anywhere in the surplus area as long as it's aligned to four bytes. A receiver will know how to handle it and deliver the UDP data to the application (e.g. by maintaining a pointer to the data). So that allows a format like: UDP header (Length=8) | Surplus area header | Options | Payload The surplus area header contains the header length and a checksum covering the surplus space (four bytes altogether). The three headers can thought of as an extended UDP header, so the format becomes: Extended UDP header | Payload Which looks a whole lot like any other protocol format with a variable length header such as TCP or IPv4. Tom > > >> OCS, if present, covers both the FRAG option and the trailing > fragment data. > > > >> A host that wishes to signal that it is able to accept and process > the FRAG option MAY do so by transmitting an unfragmented datagram > with an empty terminal FRAG option whose Offset and Checksum fields > are set to zero. > > > >> Non-empty FRAG options MUST NOT be present in packets with ordinary > UDP user data or LITE data. Any such options MUST be silently dropped. > > > >> UDP options other than OCS and padding MUST NOT accompany the FRAG > option in non-terminal fragments. Any such options MUST be silently > dropped. All other options that apply to a reassembled packet must > accompany the FRAG header in the terminal fragment. > > > This proposal does not suffer from the disadvantage that a legacy receiver > could misinterpret a UDP fragment as a complete datagram, as does the > currently-defined version of FRAG without LITE. And it avoids the problem > that OCS does not cover the currently defined version of FRAG+LITE. > > Note that because of their unusual property of capturing following or > preceding data, FRAG and LITE would have to be mandatory to > recognize, but I do not believe that they should be mandatory to > generate or process. An implementation that cannot process these > options should silently drop packets that contain them. > > There's probably something wrong; if so, please tell me what it is. > > Mike Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Derek Fawcus
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Raffaele Zullo
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Derek Fawcus
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… C. M. Heard
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Derek Fawcus
- [tsvwg] Possible UDP-Option: Cookie Derek Fawcus
- Re: [tsvwg] Possible UDP-Option: Cookie Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Possible UDP-Option: Cookie tjw ietf
- Re: [tsvwg] Possible UDP-Option: Cookie Derek Fawcus
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Possible UDP-Option: Cookie Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Tom Herbert
- Re: [tsvwg] Alternative version of the UDP FRAG o… Gorry Fairhurst