Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Unwanted-trackers Digest, Vol 9, Issue 16

[Brent Ledvina <[e-mail]>]

Hi Warren,

Thanks for the feedback.

For those that are interested, here is the press release issued by Apple on May 2, 2023: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/05/apple-google-partner-on-an-industry-specification-to-address-unwanted-tracking/  and Google’s post is here: https://security.googleblog.com/2023/05/google-and-apple-lead-initiative-for.html

Both state: “will release a production implementation of the specification for unwanted tracking alerts by the end of 2023,” which we accomplished on December 20, 2023: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-detecting-unwanted-location-trackers/ (there was an email sent to the [e-mail] email list announcing this on the same day).

Both posts go on to say: "that will then be supported in future versions of iOS and Android.” I realize this is not specific on a date, but we are working towards achieving this goal in a timely manner.

I am curious to learn more about your statement about a manufacturer who is reading refunds for pre-orders taken in mid-2023. 

Again, thanks for the feedback!

Regards,
Brent


> On Jan 27, 2024, at 12:43 PM, warren merrill <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> I fully support the  DULT charter initiative, but I worry that some with business interests are losing interest due to the excessively long time the development is taking. 
> At this point, it is months beyond what was expected by interested industry members, and I am aware of at least one manufacturer who is readying refunds for pre-orders taken mid-2023, unable to ship products according to the schedule both Apple and Google agreed on because of Apple's reluctance to do anything before the standard is set in stone, and Google honoring their pledge to wait on Apple. "The end of 2023" has passed, and now it increasingly looks like "by the end of 2024". 
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> On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 3:02 PM <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
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>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 11:33:37 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on proposed DULT charter
>> Hi Roman,
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>> Thank you, I am in support of the DULT charter.
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>> Best,
>> Sham
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>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 12:03 PM <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
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>>> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 02:41:51 +0000
>>> Subject: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on proposed DULT charter
>>> Hi!
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>>> With the benefit of discussions at two BOFs at IETF 117 and 118, there appears to be a strong consensus signal to form a WG around the topic of Detecting Unwanted Location Trackers (DULT) [1].  There also appeared to a critical mass of energy to do the work (write and review drafts).  
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>>> IETF 118 BOF identified critical charter changes that were needed to refine the DULT scope [2].  In the weeks following the BoF, PRs have been filed and merged against these open issues.  Conversation appears to have subsided on the list.  I’d like to assess where we stand with a formal consensus check on this revised charter. Please review https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dult/00-02/ (00-02) and respond to the list by Thursday, Feb 1, 2024.
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>>> ==[ consensus check question ]==
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>>> Do you support the charter text? Or do you have objections or blocking concerns (please describe what they might be and how you would propose addressing the concern)?
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>>> ==[ consensus check question ]==
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>>> If you previously spoke up at the 117/118 BoFs, please repeat yourself here.  The outcome of this consensus check will inform the next steps with DULT.
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>>> Thanks,
>>> Roman
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>>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/118/materials/minutes-118-dult-202311061200-00
>>> [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/unwanted-trackers/mAIFv6ns5GGS79Uch3cj80uVa2U/
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