Re: [Unwanted-trackers] John Scudder's No Objection on charter-ietf-dult-00-05: (with COMMENT)
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From: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
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Subject: Re: [Unwanted-trackers] John Scudder's No Objection on charter-ietf-dult-00-05: (with COMMENT)
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Hi John! Thanks for the review. I published a -06 in response. A bit more below. > -----Original Message----- > From: Unwanted-trackers <unwanted-trackers-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of > John Scudder via Datatracker > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:56 AM > To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org> > Cc: dult-chairs@ietf.org; unwanted-trackers@ietf.org > Subject: [Unwanted-trackers] John Scudder's No Objection on charter-ietf-dult- > 00-05: (with COMMENT) > > Warning: External Sender - do not click links or open attachments unless you > recognize the sender and know the content is safe. > > > John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-dult-00-05: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email > addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory > paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dult/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - In "The full system consists of three major subsystems" it's not obvious what > "full system" is being talked about -- the pre-existing tracker system, or the TBD > DULT system. The subsequent sentence, "These three subsystems have > interfaces that are relevant to unwanted tracking", implies it's the pre-existing > system, but I'm dubious that those three points define the major subsystems of > those networks as currently built. For one thing, the list completely omits the > intended use case of letting the owner find their keys. > > - "To address this threat" in the third paragraph -- presumably "this threat" > refers back to paragraph 1's "These accessories can be misused to track another > person’s location without their knowledge", but the interpolation of paragraph > 2 makes that unclear. I suggest spelling out what threat you're talking about or > otherwise disambiguating. New language added. > - I agree that the reference to "gender-based violence experts" should be > retained but worded in a way that doesn't seem to exclude the possibility of > consulting other experts as well. If you have a suggestion, we'll take it. Coordinating with the named experts was an explicit output from the BOF/mailing list discussion. I don’t see the text precluding other experts. I just don't see an invitation naming other experts. .. > NITS: > > - “unwanted tracked detection” should presumably be "unwanted tracker > detection” although better still "detection of unwanted trackers" since then > there's no ambiguity about what "unwanted" is modifying. > > - "tag" is maybe a little too much in-crowd jargon. Define or better still, > reword. > > - “create new vector” should be "create a new vector" or "create new vectors" > > - The wording "IETF 6lo WG and Bluetooth SIG" can make it sound as though > the Bluetooth SIG is an IETF group. Easy fix: "Bluetooth SIG and IETF 6lo WG". All proposals above merged into -06. Thanks, Roman
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