Re: [v4tov6transition] draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines WGLC

I also agree. Seiichi, would you mind I include your notes to the I-D?

Thanks,
Yiu

On 8/17/10 10:20 AM, "Tom Taylor" <tom111.taylor@bell.net> wrote:

> Agreed, we shouldn't be fragmenting our efforts.
> 
> If that is acceptable to you, Kawamura-san?
> 
> Tina TSOU wrote:
>> It can also be part of the draft-lee-v4tov6transition-problem-statement,
>> which we are working on.
>> 
>> 
>> B. R.
>> Tina
>> http://tinatsou.weebly.com/index.html
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Baker" <fred@cisco.com>
>> To: <v4transition@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines WGLC
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks very much, Kawmura-san. As you say, some of these questions are
>> not worthy of an operator, but many are important to all of them. If we
>> can get all of the questions on the table, I'm sure we can build a draft
>> that we might call an "IPv6 Deployment FAQ". I wonder if you would be
>> willing to co-author it with me?
>> 
>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Seiichi Kawamura wrote:
>> 
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>>> Hi Fred
>>> 
>>> Fred Baker wrote:
>>>> We have a transition guideline in last call in the IPv6 Operations
>>>> Working Group. Let me take this opportunity to invite all of us to
>>>> join v6ops@ops.ietf.org if we have not, read the document, and
>>>> comment on it on v6ops@ops.ietf.org in the context of that last call.
>>>> 
>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines
>>>>  "Guidelines for Using IPv6 Transition Mechanisms", Jari Arkko, Fred
>>>>  Baker, 12-Jul-10
>>>> 
>>>> I gather that the operators on this list are of the opinion that the
>>>> documents on the table, which include that one and the documents it
>>>> refers to - especially
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4213.txt
>>>> 4213 Basic Transition Mechanisms for IPv6 Hosts and Routers. E.
>>>>     Nordmark, R. Gilligan. October 2005. (Format: TXT=58575 bytes)
>>>>     (Obsoletes RFC2893) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD)
>>>> 
>>>> but also various other RFCs and Internet Drafts - don't give them the
>>>> guidance they are looking for. On this list, would it be appropriate
>>>> to ask operators to tell us what questions remain on the table?
>>> 
>>> Here's my answer to this question.
>>> 
>>> Opertors who have not yet deployed IPv6,
>>> don't know what to do at all. Some want
>>> guidelines like, go and get a /32,
>>> register it in an IRR (if they do so with IPv4),
>>> check if your router supports IPv6, and if not
>>> choose a transition deployment model, route
>>> the prefix, buy transit, and finally bring some server up
>>> so the world can see you that you have IPv6.
>>> This is ISP 101 stuff that any operator should know,
>>> but some request this kind of guidance.
>>> I don't really see value in having a document
>>> that describes all these steps.
>>> 
>>> However, many operators who have just started and have
>>> at least some knowledge of what IPv6 is, want to know
>>> traps in advance. This I think is quite important.
>>> The differences between IPv4 and IPv6 that everyone stubles through.
>>> I've been asked these same questions over and over again.
>>> 
>>>  How do you assign an address in your network?
>>>   (recommended prefix length and value of interface ID)
>>>  How do you use link-local?
>>>  Is there RFC1918 space in IPv6?
>>>  Is there such a thing as secondary address with IPv6?
>>>  What's the BGP filtering boundary in IPv6 compimenting the /24 in IPv4?
>>>  Is there a filtering guideline for IPv6?
>>> 
>>> Operators with more experience have more specific thoughts.
>>> 
>>>  Why does OSPFv3 not display global scope address associated with the
>>> interface?
>>>  Why is VRRPv3's global VIP optional and not implemented by some?
>>>  What FIB size should we expect with IPv6?
>>>  Are broacasts with IPv4 and ND with IPv6 treated the same way in my
>>> L2 switch?
>>>  How should be use rDNS with IPv6?
>>> 
>>> To summarize my long and rough comments (sorry)
>>> "what is the difference between IPv6 and IPv4 that we should be aware
>>> of?"
>>> is the question that many tend to ask and is always a popular topic
>>> in my local NOG (JANOG).
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Seiichi
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If, for example, operators are looking for a document that describes
>>>> how to use IPv4/IPv4 NATs to extend the IPv4 domain while the deploy
>>>> IPv6, so that their customers continue to have some level of IPv4
>>>> support during the transition, I wonder to what extent
>>>> 
>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-incremental-cgn
>>>>  "An Incremental Carrier-Grade NAT (CGN) for IPv6 Transition", Sheng
>>>>  Jiang, Dayong Guo, Brian Carpenter, 18-Jun-10
>>>> 
>>>> addresses their questions. I have scheduled it for IPv6 Operations
>>>> Working Group last Call starting on the 12th of September, but would
>>>> be happy to see comments on v6ops@ops.ietf.org prior to that.
>>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
>>>>> Date: August 15, 2010 11:00:04 AM PDT
>>>>> To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org
>>>>> Cc: kurtis@kurtis.pp.se, rbonica@juniper.net
>>>>> Subject: draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines WGLC
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is to initiate a two week working group last call of
>>>>> draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines. Please read it now. If you
>>>>> find nits (spelling errors, minor suggested wording changes, etc),
>>>>> comment to the authors; if you find greater issues, such as
>>>>> disagreeing with a statement or finding additional issues that need
>>>>> to be addressed, please post your comments to the list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We are looking specifically for comments on the importance of the
>>>>> document as well as its content. If you have read the document and
>>>>> believe it to be of operational utility, that is also an important
>>>>> comment to make.
>>>> 
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