Re: [v6ops] Agenda discussion

[Rémi Després <[e-mail]>]

Le 2012-03-14 à 14:22, Tom Taylor a écrit :

> Perhaps it would be useful to know that Rémi's 4rd-U is actually a competitor to MAP.

Yes, indeed.
4rd is proposed as a unified standard, expected to replace the two standards of the MAP proposal, but the two designs have otherwise a lot in common.

That said, the point to be presented in v6ops is the relationship between 4rd and 464XLAT, while such a relationship hasn't been considered so far for MAP.

Regards,
RD



> 
> On 14/03/2012 7:23 AM, Rémi Després wrote:
>> Fred,
>> 
>> 2012-03-14 11:38, Fred Baker:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Rémi Després wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Fred,
>>>> 
>>>> There has been discussion on the list about the relationship between 464XLAT and 4rd (24 v6ops e-mails with these 2 acronyms)
>>>> The latest version of draft-despres-softwire-4rd-U (posted on March 12) introduces a NAT64 variant called NAT64+.
>>>> Its purpose is 464XLAT-like scenarios with improved IPv4 transparency.
>>>> 
>>>> I would appreciate a slot (10 minutes or more) to present what is at stake, operationally speaking.
>>>> There is no v6ops-specific draft: time has been too short to make one despite relevance to v6ops of the subject matter to v6ops.
>>>> (There is of course no plan to present protocol contents in v6ops, Softwire being the place for this.)
>> 
>> This is only based on a small part of the latest 4rd-u draft.
>> There is definitely no need to present all other documents you listed below.
>> I do believe that, in 10 min, I can usefully inform the v6ops WG about the relationship between 464XLAT and 4rd.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> RD
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> RD
>>> 
>>> 4rd and dIVI are two legs of MAP, as I understand it. I was expecting that discussion during the 464xlat discussion, from the floor, but I'm willing to give someone ten minutes to present the MAP effort
>>> 
>>> 	http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-despres-softwire-4rd-u
>>> 	http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fu-softwire-4rd-mib
>>> 	http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mdt-softwire-map-deployment
>>> 	http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mdt-softwire-map-dhcp-option
>>> 	http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mdt-softwire-map-encapsulation
>>> 	http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mdt-softwire-map-translation
>>> 	http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mdt-softwire-mapping-address-and-port
>>> 	http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-murakami-softwire-4rd
>>> 	http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sarikaya-softwire-4rdmulticast
>>> 
>>> and discuss its implications vis-a-vis 464clat. In ten minutes, this is obviously at a very high level. Do you think you can talk with your fellow contributors to the MAP effort and find one person who can fairly the describe all of that?
>>> 
>>>> Le 2012-03-06 à 05:46, Fred Baker a écrit :
>>>> 
>>>>> Stated in no particular order, we have the following documents that meet these criteria:
>>>>> - not in the IESG process somewhere
>>>>> - posted or updated since IETF 82
>>>>> - have had list discussion since IETF 82 or responds to discussion at IETF 82
>>>>> 
>>>>> At this point, I take them as our agenda at IETF 83. If I am missing a document (if you have posted it since Sunday, I may well be missing it), please remind me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-v6ops-icp-guidance
>>>>> "IPv6 Guidance for Internet Content and Application Service Providers",
>>>>> Brian Carpenter, Sheng Jiang, 22-Feb-12
>>>>> 
>>>>> No presentation expected, but the authors would like working group adoption. We need to decide whether we want to do that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-v6ops-label-balance
>>>>> "Using the IPv6 Flow Label for Server Load Balancing", Brian Carpenter,
>>>>> Sheng Jiang, Willy Tarreau, 17-Jan-12
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-464xlat
>>>>> "464XLAT: Combination of Stateful and Stateless Translation", Masataka
>>>>> Mawatari, Masanobu Kawashima, Cameron Byrne, 14-Feb-12
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-6204bis
>>>>> "Basic Requirements for IPv6 Customer Edge Routers", Barbara Stark,
>>>>> Chris Donley, Hemant Singh, Ole Troan, Wes Beebee, 22-Dec-11
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-ivi-icmp-address
>>>>> "Stateless Source Address Mapping for ICMPv6 Packets", Xing Li, Congxiao
>>>>> Bao, Dan Wing, Ramji Vaithianathan, Geoff Huston, 24-Feb-12
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-ra-guard-implementation
>>>>> "Implementation Advice for IPv6 Router Advertisement Guard (RA-Guard)",
>>>>> Fernando Gont, 3-Mar-12
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-wireline-incremental-ipv6
>>>>> "Wireline Incremental IPv6", Victor Kuarsingh, Lee Howard, 1-Feb-12
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the coming week, I am told to expect one additional -00 draft, and I could imagine other drafts being updated. I will be looking for those drafts to meet the criteria above as well, but please drop the chairs a note.
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