[v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now supports DHCPv6 PD
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Subject: [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now supports DHCPv6 PD
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Let’s not forget the basics: every route needs a next-hop address, and in the IPv6-only world, that needs to be an IPv6 address. Whether it’s a GUA or LLA, and whether it’s assigned from the on-link prefix or something else, is irrelevant from the ND cache perspective. You will always have ND cache entries for every device attached to a LAN segment; it’s just the question of how many entries per device you have. Would love to hear what exactly Android does in various scenarios. Ivan > On 19 Sep 2025, at 07:20, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike=40swm.pp.se@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2025, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> Don’t you still need some form of on-net address outside of the delegated prefix to communicate with the delegated router? I suppose link local alone is technically sufficient for that, but you’ll still need an ND entry for that, so I don’t see a gain from making trace routes ugly just to avoid an address assignment. > > "unnumbered WAN" has been a thing for 10-15 years, ie you don't have an address on your uplink, you assign yourself address from the PD, for instance RFC7084 WAA-7 and WAA-9. End devices should support this as well. > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se_______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list -- v6ops@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to v6ops-leave@ietf.org
- [v6ops] Android now supports DHCPv6 PD Lorenzo Colitti
- [v6ops] Re: Android now supports DHCPv6 PD Stan Barber
- [v6ops] Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now supports DHCPv6… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [v6ops] Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now supports DHCPv6… Lorenzo Colitti
- [v6ops] Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now supports DHCPv6… Tim Chown
- [v6ops] Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now supports DHCPv6… Lorenzo Colitti
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Mark Smith
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now supports DHCPv6… Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now supports DHCPv6… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Lorenzo Colitti
- [v6ops] Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now supports DHCPv6… Lorenzo Colitti
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Mark Smith
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Lorenzo Colitti
- [v6ops] Re: [IPv6]Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: Android now… Geoff Huston
- [v6ops] Re: [IPv6]Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Tim Chown
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Lorenzo Colitti
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Ted Lemon
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Ivan Pepelnjak
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Mikael Abrahamsson
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Mark Smith
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Owen DeLong
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Owen DeLong
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Owen DeLong
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Michael Richardson
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Owen DeLong
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Owen DeLong
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Mikael Abrahamsson
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Ted Lemon
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Ivan Pepelnjak
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Tore Anderson
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Jen Linkova
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Ivan Pepelnjak
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Nick Hilliard
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Mikael Abrahamsson
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Mikael Abrahamsson
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Mikael Abrahamsson
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Tore Anderson
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Mark Smith
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Ivan Pepelnjak
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Michael Richardson
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Ivan Pepelnjak
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Owen DeLong
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Ivan Pepelnjak
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Mikael Abrahamsson
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Jen Linkova
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Ivan Pepelnjak
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Ondřej Caletka
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Brian E Carpenter
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Gert Doering
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Ted Lemon
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Tim Chown
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Owen DeLong
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Tim Chown
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Daryll Swer
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Tore Anderson
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Tim Chown
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… Brian E Carpenter
- [v6ops] Re: [dhcwg] Re: Re: [IPv6]Re: Android now… jordi.palet@consulintel.es