Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-long-headers-01.txt
Nick Hilliard <nick@inex.ie> Fri, 05 July 2013 14:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-long-headers-01.txt
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On 05/07/2013 14:35, Joe Touch wrote: > ... then limiting the forwarding chain won't help because these aren't > forwarded by that router. then your understanding of modern routers is incorrect. Let's say you have an IPv6 address on a router interface - it doesn't matter if it's used for management or not. If it's pingable, then the ping packets will be directed to the router management or route processor engine for slow path processing. We use control plan policing or equivalent technologies to ensure that packets of this form do not overload the RE / RP. In order to implement CoPP/RE firewalling, we need hardware ACL support to be able to distinguish between the sorts of packets that we want to see and the ones we don't. In practice, this means implementing sophisticated ACL + QoS support in hardware. Consequently, this means that we need the ability to inspect reasonably deeply into ipv6 packet headers. On several well known router engines, this functionality is not there because the lookup engines cannot inspect far enough into the packet header to handle ipv6 headers properly. Consequently, large chunks of the internet run on equipment which cannot be protected against trivial pps based ipv6 attacks. On some of them, it turns out that it doesn't matter whether it's pingable or not, because you can craft IPv6 packets which can bypass the hardware classification mechanisms. All you need to know is the ipv6 address of any interface on the box, and you can trivially trash it remotely. On this basis, I would suggest that this is not just a technical problem, but a really serious technical problem with potentially devastating operational consequences. Nick
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