Re: [v6ops] LAN-side NTP in rfc7084bis?

Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Wed, 20 March 2024 10:01 UTC

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 11:01:33 +0100
From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
To: Timothy Winters <tim@qacafe.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] LAN-side NTP in rfc7084bis?
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Hi,

On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 11:07:17AM +1000, Timothy Winters wrote:
> > It occurred to me a bit late that a reasonable statement might be that
> > *if* a CE router supports NTP over IPv4 on the LAN side, then it MUST also
> > support it over IPv6; otherwise it can be a MAY.
> >
> That is a very good "late" thought.   The next revision, we'll take a stab
> at documenting that.

I'd argue that this should be true for all 'non core' services offered
- like, "if the router offers file sharing services over IPv4, it MUST
also offer them over IPv6".  Or USB->LAN printer sharing, or...

Not sure how to word that in a sufficiently generic way.

Gert Doering
        -- NetMaster
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have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

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