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Re: [v6ops] IPv6 mostly for DS-Lite

Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Wed, 20 March 2024 10:04 UTC

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From: Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPv6 mostly for DS-Lite
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So ISPs have to back out DS-lite and deploy NAT64 just so people can deploy IPv6 mostly. We have provided a number of IPV4AAS mechanisms which all work at the node level as well as CPE level.  It should be possible to support any of them. 

-- 
Mark Andrews

> On 20 Mar 2024, at 19:12, Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 12:58:37PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:
>> Well people do use DS-Lite. Why should the be treated as second class citizens.
> 
> "people" don't.  ISPs do, as infrastructure, not visible to end devices.
> 
> Gert Doering
>        -- NetMaster
> -- 
> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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