Re: [v6ops] IPv6 mostly for DS-Lite

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 20 March 2024 19:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPv6 mostly for DS-Lite
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On 20-Mar-24 23:04, Mark Andrews wrote:
> So ISPs have to back out DS-lite and deploy NAT64 just so people can deploy IPv6 mostly. We have provided a number of IPV4AAS mechanisms which all work at the node level as well as CPE level.  It should be possible to support any of them.

Is anybody saying that IPv6-mostly is mandatory? I don't see why an ISP that currently runs DS-lite is forced to rip it out. DHCP 108 won't work, that's all.

     Brian