Re: [v6ops] Quick measurement: MTUs on the general Internet

Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com> Thu, 18 December 2014 14:57 UTC

Return-Path: <iljitsch@muada.com>
X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C081A8A27 for <v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:57:16 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.011
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tc9ANcqlccwv for <v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:57:14 -0800 (PST)
Received: from sequoia.muada.com (sequoia.muada.com [IPv6:2001:1af8:3100:a006:1::]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9A411A8A1C for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:57:13 -0800 (PST)
Received: from global-hq.muada.nl (global-hq.muada.nl [IPv6:2001:470:1f15:8b5:6986:91fa:62a6:cb51] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id sBIEuZRB084226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:56:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\))
From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>
In-Reply-To: <CDF896E3-E2A9-4C02-9F46-989EBD7DF54A@muada.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:57:04 +0100
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <5D24B2D2-AE08-49DF-8324-36C3754D77E1@muada.com>
References: <547F3CE8.4090302@massar.ch> <20141204.095809.74726281.sthaug@nethelp.no> <54802E1D.9070401@massar.ch> <20141204.111820.41660320.sthaug@nethelp.no> <5480391F.9040902@massar.ch> <CDF896E3-E2A9-4C02-9F46-989EBD7DF54A@muada.com>
To: "v6ops@ietf.org WG" <v6ops@ietf.org>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993)
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/NCZnUa8bo5P6nszKc-JqCE8foaA
Subject: Re: [v6ops] Quick measurement: MTUs on the general Internet
X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: v6ops discussion list <v6ops.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/v6ops/>
List-Post: <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:57:16 -0000

I left the tcpdumps running for almost a week and did a more thorough analysis of the results, see:

Maximum packet sizes on the internet 
http://www.bgpexpert.com/article.php?article=151

Internet packet sizes part 2: IPv4 path MTU discovery is dead
http://www.bgpexpert.com/article.php?article=152

Quick summary: all IPv6 hosts and 99.7% of IPv4 hosts advertise they can handle at least 1280 bytes in their TCP MSS and about 65% can handle 1500.

In almost a week, I didn't get a single IPv4 too big, so it seems that in practice, IPv4 PMTUD is no longer used. (Please confirm with a larger dataset before taking any actions based on this!) However, depending on PMTUD doesn't lead to obvious problems with IPv6.