Re: [v6ops] Quick measurement: MTUs on the general Internet
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I left the tcpdumps running for almost a week and did a more thorough analysis of the results, see: Maximum packet sizes on the internet http://www.bgpexpert.com/article.php?article=151 Internet packet sizes part 2: IPv4 path MTU discovery is dead http://www.bgpexpert.com/article.php?article=152 Quick summary: all IPv6 hosts and 99.7% of IPv4 hosts advertise they can handle at least 1280 bytes in their TCP MSS and about 65% can handle 1500. In almost a week, I didn't get a single IPv4 too big, so it seems that in practice, IPv4 PMTUD is no longer used. (Please confirm with a larger dataset before taking any actions based on this!) However, depending on PMTUD doesn't lead to obvious problems with IPv6.
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- Re: [v6ops] my recommendation re: 6to4 Templin, Fred L
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- Re: [v6ops] my recommendation re: 6to4 Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] my recommendation re: 6to4 Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] my recommendation re: 6to4 Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] my recommendation re: 6to4 Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] my recommendation re: 6to4 Templin, Fred L
- [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: my re… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Templin, Fred L
- [v6ops] Seems AERO / RFC6706 is the subject (Was:… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Seems AERO / RFC6706 is the subject (… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] AERO / draft-templin-aerolink / RFC67… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] AERO / draft-templin-aerolink / RFC67… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Carlos M. Martinez
- [v6ops] "Severe distortion in RTT" (Was: Bar BoF … Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] "Severe distortion in RTT" (Was: Bar … George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] "Severe distortion in RTT" (Was: Bar … Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? John Mann
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Andrew 👽 Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? John Mann
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Metzler, Dan J
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? John Mann
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Keith Moore
- [v6ops] Filtering 6to4 (Was: Bar BoF on a 6to4 re… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Filtering 6to4 (Was: Bar BoF on a 6to… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Filtering 6to4 (Was: Bar BoF on a 6to… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Filtering 6to4 (Was: Bar BoF on a 6to… Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Filtering 6to4 (Was: Bar BoF on a 6to… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Filtering 6to4 (Was: Bar BoF on a 6to… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Templin, Fred L
- [v6ops] AERO again (Was: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replac… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] AERO again (Was: Bar BoF on a 6to4 re… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement? Was: m… Keith Moore
- [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Andrew 👽 Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement sthaug
- [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet (Was: Report… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet Jeroen Massar
- [v6ops] Quick measurement: MTUs on the general In… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Quick measurement: MTUs on the genera… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Quick measurement: MTUs on the genera… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Quick measurement: MTUs on the genera… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Quick measurement: MTUs on the genera… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] Quick measurement: MTUs on the genera… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Quick measurement: MTUs on the genera… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Quick measurement: MTUs on the genera… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Quick measurement: MTUs on the genera… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet (Was: Re… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet (Was: Re… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet (Was: Re… Metzler, Dan J
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet (Was: Re… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet (Was: Re… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet (Was: Re… Metzler, Dan J
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet (Was: Re… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet (Was: Re… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet (Was: Re… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet (Was: Re… Tore Anderson
- [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the general I… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Metzler, Dan J
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] PMTUD forever, was: MTUs on the gener… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] MTUs on the general Internet sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Templin, Fred L
- [v6ops] AERO again (Was: Report: Bar BoF on a 6to… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] AERO again (Was: Report: Bar BoF on a… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Report: Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] my recommendation re: 6to4 Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] my recommendation re: 6to4 Templin, Fred L