Re: [v6ops] Bar BoF on a 6to4 replacement?

[Owen DeLong <[e-mail]>]

> On Nov 13, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Gert Doering <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 09:50:31AM -1000, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
>> There's no reason tunnels have to be so-so. 
> 
> I'm wondering who would provide these tunnels in the future, and what would
> their business model be.
> 
> This is a real question.  Today, you can get tunnels from Sixxs nodes
> (enthusiasts, which might eventually consider the IPv6 deployment issue
> to be "solved" and stop running tunnel nodes), HE.NET (it's good marketing,
> but eventually the costs involved might win over the marketing gain?), 

I’m no longer with HE, but I will say that this is unlikely. While the cost of supporting
the tunnel brokers is not zero, it comes sufficiently close that I’d be very surprised
to see it reach this state at any point prior to ubiquitous native IPv6 and the deprecation
of IPv4 as a common backbone internet protocol. HE has multiple reasons for
providing the tunnelbroker service that go beyond mere marketing.

(In other words, there will probably be pockets of IPv4, but “the internet” will be an
IPv6 internet and IPv4 will exist in islands where it can’t yet be deprecated, but the
hosts that still talk to the internet will do so over IPv6 somehow.)

Owen