Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-comparison-04.txt

Re-,

I'm not sure about this. Providing examples can be OK for the statement with "Some .." but not for the one starting with "Often...". That would not be objective at all.

I still prefer just being factual here and say that the relevant specs require support of hairpinning. You can say the obvious by recalling that checks are needed to assess whether implems adhere to the spec (which is a generic statement, not specific to the hairpinning feature BTW).   

Thanks. 

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : v6ops <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org> De la part de Gábor LENCSE
> Envoyé : mardi 24 mai 2022 09:32
> À : v6ops@ietf.org
> Objet : Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-
> comparison-04.txt
> 
> Dear Med,
> 
> Will you be satisfied if we cite a few cases for each technology,
> when the implementations do support direct communication?
> 
> I mean doing it just here, on this list. I think we should not
> include the vendor specific information into the draft. It would
> be unfair against those, about whom we do not know it.
> 
> However, showing examples justifies that the statements are
> objective.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Gábor
> 
> 
> 
> 5/24/2022 9:22 AM keltezéssel, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com írta:
> > Re-,
> >
> > I'm afraid this is not appropriate in an RFC.
> >
> > This document is not about certifying implems. Relying on some
> web search and then extrapolate to draw generic conclusion for a
> given technology is really weird.
> >
> > I hope that subjective text can be removed.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Med
> >
> >> -----Message d'origine-----
> >> De : v6ops <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org> De la part de JORDI PALET
> >> MARTINEZ Envoyé : mardi 24 mai 2022 09:08 À : v6ops@ietf.org
> Objet :
> >> Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-
> >> comparison-04.txt
> >>
> >> Hi Med,
> >>
> >> As previously explained, we drafted that text, considering the
> >> docuemnts that we have been able to find from different
> vendors.
> >>
> >> We believe this text ensures that the reader of the document
> will
> >> double-check with the possible vendors/products, what is the
> support
> >> for hair-pinning they offer, so to be able to make a better
> decision.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jordi
> >> @jordipalet
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> El 24/5/22, 8:06, "v6ops-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de
> >> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com" <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org en nombre
> de
> >> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> escribió:
> >>
> >>      Hi Jordi, Gabor, all,
> >>
> >>      Thank you for taking into account the various comments.
> >>
> >>      However, I see that the wording:
> >>
> >>      "Often NAT64 vendors support direct communication .."
> >>
> >>      and
> >>
> >>      "Some AFTR vendors support direct .."
> >>
> >>      made it to the public version while there is no evidence
> to back
> >> these claims.
> >>
> >>      I'm uncomfortable to include such claims in the draft and,
> thus,
> >> reiterate the suggestion to be factual: include what a
> technology is
> >> designed to provide no what some specific implems are doing.
> >>
> >>      Thank you.
> >>
> >>      Cheers,
> >>      Med
> >>
> >>      > -----Message d'origine-----
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> >>      > Cc : v6ops@ietf.org
> >>      > Objet : I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-
> comparison-
> >> 04.txt
> >>      >
> >>      >
> >>      > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line
> Internet-
> >> Drafts
> >>      > directories.
> >>      > This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Operations WG of
> the
> >> IETF.
> >>      >
> >>      >         Title           : Pros and Cons of IPv6
> Transition
> >>      > Technologies for IPv4aaS
> >>      >         Authors         : Gabor Lencse
> >>      >                           Jordi Palet Martinez
> >>      >                           Lee Howard
> >>      >                           Richard Patterson
> >>      >                           Ian Farrer
> >>      > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-
> >> comparison-
> >>      > 04.txt
> >>      > 	Pages           : 35
> >>      > 	Date            : 2022-05-23
> >>      >
> >>      > Abstract:
> >>      >    Several IPv6 transition technologies have been
> developed
> >> to
> >>      > provide
> >>      >    customers with IPv4-as-a-Service (IPv4aaS) for ISPs
> with
> >> an
> >>      > IPv6-only
> >>      >    access and/or core network.  All these technologies
> have
> >> their
> >>      >    advantages and disadvantages, and depending on
> existing
> >>      > topology,
> >>      >    skills, strategy and other preferences, one of these
> >>      > technologies may
> >>      >    be the most appropriate solution for a network
> operator.
> >>      >
> >>      >    This document examines the five most prominent
> IPv4aaS
> >>      > technologies
> >>      >    considering a number of different aspects to provide
> >> network
> >>      >    operators with an easy-to-use reference to assist in
> >> selecting
> >>      > the
> >>      >    technology that best suits their needs.
> >>      >
> >>      >
> >>      > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> >>      > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-
> >> transition-
> >>      > comparison/
> >>      >
> >>      > There is also an htmlized version available at:
> >>      > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-
> >> transition-
> >>      > comparison-04
> >>      >
> >>      > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> >>      > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-v6ops-
> >> transition-
> >>      > comparison-04
> >>      >
> >>      >
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