Re: [v6ops] Routers are hosts too!

t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> Fri, 08 January 2016 18:07 UTC

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From: <sthaug@nethelp.no>
To: <nick@foobar.org>
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Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 5:14 PM

> > > These are "devices", but possibly not "hosts"...
> >
> > this sounds like we're considering perfectly spherical ipv6 hosts in
a
> > vacuum.
>
> And continuing in this vein, pretty soon we'll assume a spherical cow
> of uniform density? :-)

I love the way that this thread was originally
'Focused Discussion'
and is now, well, the usual, focused, I suppose.

There is something about IPv6 that causes this to happen, and I suspect
that whatever it is is not conducive to the progress of either the IETF
or of the use of IPv6.  For myself, I have an existence proof, of the
non-existence of IPv6 in my own neck of the woods, and track this list
against the day when it exists and I have an interest.  If and when that
day comes, I might understand how it is that IPv6 Operations generates
more discussion with less apparent consensus than anything else I see in
the IETF, a process which I find more interesting than the technical
details of, say,  M and O, SLAAC, DHCPv6-PD etc- at least, at present.

Tom Petch

>
> Let's get back to discussing IPv6, though. Personally I would prefer
> if all "hosts" (servers, PCs, whatever) could simply use DHCPv6 PD and
> be done with it.
>
> Steinar Haug, AS2116
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