Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-gont-v6ops-ipv6-addressing-considerations-00.txt

Eduard Metz <etmetz@gmail.com> Tue, 05 January 2021 13:24 UTC

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 14:24:14 +0100
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To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Cc: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>, draft-gont-v6ops-ipv6-addressing-considerations@ietf.org
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Maybe the last column should be "Applicable to Internet" (no / no / yes)
or something along these lines. I assume the point here is to indicate that
link-local and ULA cannot be used on the Internet.

cheers,
  Eduard

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 8:48 PM Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gert,
>
> On 31-Dec-20 23:30, Gert Doering wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 02:00:33PM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> >> 4. The following table attempts to show some of the distinctions
> >> involved (simplified). View in a fixed-width font. You may not
> >> agree with it...
> >>
> >> Unicast       Prefix      IID        Routeable   Announced
> >> address       assigned    assigned
> >> types         by          by
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------
> >> Link-local    fixed       host       no          no
> >>               by RFC
> >>
> >> ULA           user/RA     host or    yes         IGP only
> >>               (random)    DHCPv6
> >>
> >> GUA           IANA/RIR/   host or    yes         IGP,
> >>               ISP/user/RA DHCPv6                 BGP4 by policy
> >
> > Indeed, I am not agreeing - as there is nothing that prevents ULAs from
> > being transported by BGP.
>
> Indeed, nothing in the laws of physics, but it's default-forbidden by
> an RFC ;-). Exactly how to express that in a short table is tricky.
>
> I think we all agree about this; what Fernando's draft shows is that it
> is quite hard to describe, and the word "global" is confusing.
> (Really for the same reason that URLs were renamed from "universal"
> to "uniform" in 1994. But renaming "global" at this stage seems almost
> impossible.)
>
>    Brian
>
> >
> > We use ULAs for "services that must never reachable from the Internet",
> > and our routing being what it is, everything is transported by BGP - only
> > loopbacks in OSPF.  The difference is "do we announce it to other ASes?"
> >
> > So maybe this should be "generally expected to be visible by other
> > networks on the Internet" (ULA: no, GUA: yes).
> >
> > But that's neither precise nor does "expected" mandate anything - I might
> > want to announce our ULA prefix to our sister company, using eBGP, and
> > I might decide to not announce our GUA IPv6 PI /48 that we use for our
> > backbone infra "because people are not supposed to send packets there"...
> >
> > Gert Doering
> >         -- NetMaster
> >
>
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