Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are we doing?
Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> Tue, 15 October 2013 19:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are we doing?
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On 10/15/13 3:23 PM, Paul E. Jones wrote: > Eric, > > OpenID is not entirely dead, yet. I still run my own OpenID OP server > and use it to log into some sites. I still allow OpenID logins on > forums.packetizer.com, too. It's still in use, but the large sites > just didn't have enough users using it, so they axed it. On its > heels, though, is now OpenID Connect and it will use WebFinger for > discovery. so, sure... push it :-) > > Personally, I can think of a lot of good uses for WebFinger: > * When I log onto a web site, I want the site to grab my name an > picture automatically. > * If I want somebody to send me bitcoins, I'd much rather give them my > email address (and I do have that in my WF account) > * My contact info is published via WebFinger, so I don't have to give > people a lot of info on a business card > * WebFinger will hopefully be used as the starting point for > auto-provisioning of email clients or other devices and applications > where one has to enter server and port information > > Paul All, Here's a simple and useful thing that can be achieved with Webfinger: You notarize digital identity cards (aka. X.509 certificates) where an acct: scheme URI in the certificate's SAN (Subject Alternative Name) enables X.509 based verifiable identity beyond Email oriented S/MIME. It also means you can construct sophisticated ACLs and Data Access Policies for a Global Read-Write Web. We have just released version 1.3.0 of our YouID app for iOS that supports what I've outlined above. This product has actually supported Webfinger since its inception. What we would liked to have been able to add for acct: URIs and Webfinger lookups is the ability for anyone to host their profile document via services such as Dropbox, Google Drive, SkyDrive, Box. etc., which is what's achieved via http: scheme URIs. Links: 1. http://youid.openlinksw.com -- home page 2. http://bit.ly/19McSik -- G+ note about the 1.3.0 release. Kingsley > > On 10/14/2013 11:21 PM, Eric Mill wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> I was at a hackathon >> <http://fedscoop.com/code-dc-calls-furloughed-feds/> today, and spent >> the day working on Webfinger libraries for Sinatra >> <https://github.com/konklone/sinatra-webfinger> and Jekyll >> <https://github.com/konklone/jekyll-webfinger>. It was really >> productive, but -- at the end of the day, a reporter was there asking >> everybody questions about their projects. >> >> When he asked what Webfinger was for, I realized that the original >> easy-to-communicate killer app for Webfinger, easing universal login >> through OpenID, was >> <http://productblogarchive.37signals.com/products/2011/01/well-be-retiring-our-support-of-openid-on-may-1.html> >> dead <https://www.myopenid.com/>. The only thing I could think to say >> was "Remember OpenID? Before it died? Well, this is a piece of the >> puzzle to putting something like that back together again." >> >> That didn't feel like a very impressive answer. So, now that OpenID >> is dead, what's the one line explanation for why Webfinger is >> important? What's the path forward to making Webfinger something >> people are incentivized to support? >> >> Should we be pushing really hard to resuscitate OpenID via OpenID >> Connect? Do we just need to wait for internal lobbying inside of >> Google/Microsoft/Twitter/etc to pay off in some announcement? I know >> Webfinger supports more than email lookup -- is there some particular >> killer app people were envisioning when they lobbied for that feature? >> >> I'm so happy there's finally an RFC, after so many years. I recognize >> how much work was put in to make that happen, and this shouldn't be >> taken as a criticism of anyone. I just want to know what others see >> for the future of Webfinger, and what I should do next. >> >> -- Eric >> >> -- >> konklone.com <http://konklone.com> | @konklone >> <https://twitter.com/konklone> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> webfinger mailing list >> webfinger@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webfinger > > > > _______________________________________________ > webfinger mailing list > webfinger@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webfinger -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder & CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
- [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are we do… Eric Mill
- Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are w… Brad Fitzpatrick
- Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are w… Paul E. Jones
- Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are w… Kingsley Idehen
- Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are w… Melvin Carvalho
- Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are w… Eric Mill
- Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are w… Eric Mill
- Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are w… Bob Wyman
- Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are w… Melvin Carvalho
- Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are w… Eric Mill
- Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are w… Bob Wyman
- Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are w… Eric Mill
- Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are w… Kingsley Idehen