Re: [Webpush] draft-chiussi-webpush-subscription-less-framework-01 and request for feedback on Subscription Management

Fabio Chiussi <fabiochiussi@gmail.com> Mon, 02 November 2015 23:25 UTC

Return-Path: <fabiochiussi@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: webpush@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: webpush@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1A61A89A6 for <webpush@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 15:25:40 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.999
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gShSSesDWPr1 for <webpush@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 15:25:38 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-ig0-x229.google.com (mail-ig0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF6E01A8A7B for <webpush@ietf.org>; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 15:25:37 -0800 (PST)
Received: by igbdj2 with SMTP id dj2so1858899igb.1 for <webpush@ietf.org>; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 15:25:37 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=i7oWT2Akm6WtopcfP/VkJQh7O04zHvYhY4id4WTizuA=; b=XdOj9KqFpoYUJWAWwsohi5N/M1yHzexMjyEKH2Y6R6VblrseFNzGxG6nXp31H8/8i3 8KAy9mDzx/vNHChgg3FxCBVGF6siI+70PNQzSHpoFkDwnhJMYhomVuYtGjg7U2GcebR7 /oh2+plFeojy3MnyjPAklQi7qtJufefT4LRWcnQm3bt9exrXKGOpER69xWyaGJVZJPC7 pQQAJK3EsXlY+2BkITZVyJJns0Q6LO4hEW8Bej0eujAVSoMSl3vyLNQX2bGmholBKqLD iL3DMTn9WkHR/rrVQA3EeCYwTaZmJASTHqGn33J4/0yJBuz6nf9EB03V7t6w5eLeWpOi as1A==
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.50.60.104 with SMTP id g8mr14431576igr.89.1446506737288; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 15:25:37 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.107.153.6 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 15:25:37 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <CABp8EuL-_3_CQqc7UOd3ELPYE8kmou-RCt1C3MT4C1Zc4jzsHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD3o52u+N1TA2m8Dm-ybDZkQ7PQY7FAML+YtEPkQLdMV1mJbig@mail.gmail.com> <CABp8EuL-_3_CQqc7UOd3ELPYE8kmou-RCt1C3MT4C1Zc4jzsHA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 15:25:37 -0800
Message-ID: <CAD3o52uJ67h7Cy357JyVweFgTmXm+AECBe1SmudzB=RjiNEieQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Fabio Chiussi <fabiochiussi@gmail.com>
To: Benjamin Bangert <bbangert@mozilla.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="047d7b10c95d3dcd800523971852"
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/webpush/rh_zG-P3arOWs7EwyzaeJQg1_ak>
Cc: "webpush@ietf.org" <webpush@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Webpush] draft-chiussi-webpush-subscription-less-framework-01 and request for feedback on Subscription Management
X-BeenThere: webpush@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: Discussion of potential IETF work on a web push protocol <webpush.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/webpush>, <mailto:webpush-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/webpush/>
List-Post: <mailto:webpush@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:webpush-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webpush>, <mailto:webpush-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 23:25:40 -0000

Hi,

Sorry for not adding the link, the document is listed in the WG page.
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chiussi-webpush-subscription-less-framework/

Thanks,
Fabio

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Benjamin Bangert <bbangert@mozilla.com>
wrote:

> Is there a link to this document I can read?
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Fabio Chiussi <fabiochiussi@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I submitted a new draft: draft-chiussi-webpush-subscription-less-framework-01,
>> which I will briefly present at the WG meeting tomorrow. This draft
>> discusses two issues: i) a number of relevant use cases for webpush may
>> benefit from a "relaxed" model of subscription, and ii) there is an
>> emerging need for global management of webpush traffic across applications.
>>
>> As a possible solution for both issues, this draft advocates the
>> introduction of a notion of trusted "Subscription Authority" in charge of
>> controlling webpush traffic to each UA.
>>
>> Beyond the specific solution proposed in this draft, I would like to
>> solicit feedback from the mailing list on the more general issue of
>> Subscription Management, which we can discuss tomorrow at the meeting.
>> Specifically, any comments would be greatly appreciated on the following.
>>
>> 1. For the reasons outlined in the draft, Subscription Management seems a
>> very relevant practical issue that needs to be addressed.
>>
>> 2. In the current core protocol WG document, Subscription Management is
>> only addressed in passing, by assuming some kind of control policy in
>> assigning the subscriptions. At this time, neither the issues and use cases
>> related to Subscription Management, nor the possible solutions have been
>> fully studied in the draft. I think this is simply due to the fact that the
>> core protocol design, for obvious reasons, has been the focus of the work
>> so far, and there has not been sufficient time yet to fully address other
>> relevant issues, such as Subscription Management
>>
>> 3. However, the state of the work on the core protocol design has reached
>> sufficient maturity that the WG should start considering to address some of
>> these other topics as well. Subscription Management seems a critical and
>> urgent one, since it has very important practical ramifications. The
>> solution proposed in this draft is simply one of possible candidates, and
>> Subscription Management certainly deserves a more comprehensive study, and
>> possibly develop a framework for Subscription Management. Because of its
>> practical relevancy, subscription Management should become a WG item.
>>
>> I'll compile any comments that the mailing list may have on these topics,
>> and bring them forward for discussion at the meeting tomorrow.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Fabio
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Webpush mailing list
>> Webpush@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webpush
>>
>>
>