Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists and github repos
Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> Sat, 06 June 2026 16:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists and github repos
To: Rohan Mahy <rohan.mahy@gmail.com>, WG Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
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There are WG participants that theoretically are competent English speakers whose output is often indistinguishable from AI slop already. Aside from the machines increasing the noise in the system and acting as a DDoS on those of us who would prefer to read non-slop, I'm unbothered by that particular aspect of things. As plagiarism machines, my main consideration is that such tool use has a very strong possibility of further muddling IPR considerations. That said, clean English and sanitized output distilled from such tooling is likely to be indistinguishable from original IPR. At best, we have to trust voluntary disclosure and potential after the fact review for IPR purposes. -- Jeff On 6/5/26 22:09, Rohan Mahy wrote: > Hi, > Do we have a policy that specifically mentions replying to WG mailing > lists and/or github repos with obviously AI-generated content of > questionable relevance? I know we have tools for managing people who > are disruptive, but the amplification using AI is more the issue here. > The account in question does have a human user. > > Thanks, > -rohan
- Participation using AI in WG mailing lists and gi… Rohan Mahy
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Mike Ounsworth
- RE: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Rohan Mahy
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Jeffrey Haas
- RE: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Cheng Li
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Jay Daley
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Pieter Kasselman
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Tim Bray
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Rohan Mahy
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Marc Blanchet
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Rohan Mahy
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Michael Richardson
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Martin Thomson
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Tim Hollebeek
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Tim Bray
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Tim Hollebeek
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Marc Blanchet
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Salz, Rich
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Ignacio De Castro Arribas
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Tim Hollebeek
- Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists an… Jeffrey Haas