Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists and github repos

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Tue, 09 June 2026 16:14 UTC

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From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: Marc Blanchet <marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca>, WG Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Participation using AI in WG mailing lists and github repos
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Marc Blanchet <marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca> wrote:
    > Frankly, I have a hard time thinking that we can track those things. AI
    > is becoming so integrated in tools that a user would not know which
    > model, version, software, variants, etc… it is using. So to me,
    > thinking of getting this information is not very practical nor
    > future-proof.

Well, that's exactly the problem.
We can't be chasing this stuff down for some legal challenge in five years.

If the user doesn't know what version they are using, then they also don't
know what IPR was violated when it was trained.

So I'd say: if the user can't figure out what they are using, then maybe they
aren't tall enough to use.


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