Re: [Wish] WG adoption of draft-murillo-whep

Sergio Garcia Murillo <sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com> Thu, 04 January 2024 15:17 UTC

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From: Sergio Garcia Murillo <sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2024 16:16:46 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Wish] WG adoption of draft-murillo-whep
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It is still to be proven that MoQ is able to provide ultra low latency
streaming (<100ms) where WebRTC is a solid technology in that space.

Also, I don't think that we should prevent having a wide range of
distribution protocols available.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 3:49 PM Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The IETF is currently working on multiple distribution protocols.  Based
> on the work done in MoQ (including the requirements document), I am
> concerned that WHEP only addresses a subset of the low-latency streaming
> use cases addressed in MoQ.
>
> For example, I've been told by major low-latency streamers that WHEP is
> not acceptable for streaming of sports or live performance due to lack of
> support for DRM, something MoQ supports via transport of CMAF.
>
> Is there something that WHEP can do that MoQ can't?  If not, why bother
> creating yet another distribution protocol?
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 5:45 PM Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure. Based on some of the use cases explained earlier (most notably in
>> the blog article at
>> https://blog.cloudflare.com/webrtc-whip-whep-cloudflare-stream), this
>> seems like a good interface to have standardized, and the WHEP draft
>> seems a perfectly fine basis to adopt for performing that standardization.
>>
>> /a
>>
>> On 12/19/23 19:25, Sean Turner wrote:
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > Now that the WISH WG has been recharter [0], it is time to start the
>> formal WG adoption call for draft-murillo-whep.  Please state whether you
>> support adoption of draft-murillo-whep as a WG item by posting a message to
>> the WISH list by 11 January 2024 @ 2359 UTC. Please include any additional
>> information that is helpful in understanding your position.
>> >
>> > Note that as it is the holiday. I will send multiple reminders that
>> this WG adoption call on-going.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > spt
>> >
>> > [0]
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/wish/O3KQvSvj_wXAPB18OfqOYdIk_zQ/
>>
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