Re: [yam] Wasting the working group's time and effort
Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> Sat, 12 September 2009 10:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [yam] Wasting the working group's time and effort
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Dave CROCKER wrote: > Alessandro Vesely wrote: >> I haven't seen a chair's assessment on this subject (yet.) > > Yes you have, and you begged to disagree with it. Ah, then you must mean http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/yam/current/msg00098.html; I thought you meant a chair's assessment :-/ >>> Please document the wg support you have gotten which refutes the >>> chair's assessment. That's simple. SM checked that wording was already in RFC 2821, Ned provided a deep analysis of various cases, and John gave an explicit description of client behavior. I don't think they would have gone into such level of detail if they had thought it was a waste of time and effort; hence their conduct supports the worthiness of duly clearing the errata, which was the only point I disagreed with. > You appear to be missing the basics of IETF process understanding. Yes, my very little IETF experience is essentially limited to mailing list discussions, thus your latter point may be correct. I've read a fair amount of procedural guides and RFCs, and make a good-faith effort to comply with them, though.
- [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Barry Leiba
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Ned Freed
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Ned Freed
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] SM
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Ned Freed
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Dave CROCKER
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Brett Watson
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] John C Klensin
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Brett Watson
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Ned Freed
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] John C Klensin
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Ned Freed
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Ned Freed
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Barry Leiba
- [yam] Wasting the working group's time and effort… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [yam] Wasting the working group's time and ef… S Moonesamy
- Re: [yam] Wasting the working group's time and ef… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [yam] Wasting the working group's time and ef… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [yam] Wasting the working group's time and ef… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [yam] Wasting the working group's time and ef… S Moonesamy
- Re: [yam] Wasting the working group's time and ef… Barry Leiba
- Re: [yam] [Fwd: RFC 5321, Erratum 1543] Tony Hansen
- Re: [yam] Wasting the working group's time and ef… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [yam] Wasting the working group's time and ef… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [yam] Wasting the working group's time and ef… John C Klensin