Re: [113attendees] Can't use US site from EU (Re: US Vaccine Record (QR code for MASS residents))
Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Fri, 25 March 2022 16:55 UTC
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Subject: Re: [113attendees] Can't use US site from EU (Re: US Vaccine Record (QR code for MASS residents))
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Use a VPN. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 11:52 AM Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be> wrote: > > It's not just the EU, though. I've encountered occasional sites who have apparently decided that since essentially all their customers are US-based and a large portion of their attack traffic is from outside the US, they will drop all incoming traffic from outside the US and a few other countries. Makes them annoying to deal with while traveling. > > When I've contacted support to complain, one offered to whitelist my particular IP address if it was stable, but all basically shrugged and said "security!" > > Sent from Nine > ________________________________ > From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 11:23 AM > To: Jared Mauch > Cc: 113attendees@ietf.org; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang > Subject: [113attendees] Can't use US site from EU (Re: US Vaccine Record (QR code for MASS residents)) > > On 2022-03-25, at 11:00, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote: > > > > (aside: I've found there's many US local government sites that must have > > some local firewalls or something that block the use of services from > > EU) > > This is a really interesting side observation. > > How did that happen? > > When the European GDPR came out, there were a lot of consultants that saw easy money and offered their services to US organizations for help in handling the (completely overblown) legal risks that might come out of that. > Instead, many US organizations simply opted not to buy their expensive services but to simply block clients on EU-localized addresses instead. > (Hint: That blocking does not reduce any legal risk, because I’m still an EU citizen even if I access your services from a “US-localized” IP address. Maybe it would have been worth to look at GDPR and find out that the underlying rules for data protection after all hadn’t really changed from the status quo ante.) > > Result: the greedy consultants came out empty-handed, but at the same time caused a lot of damage by severely hampering the world-wide availability of US services and products. > > See the graphics on pages three and five of http://gandalf.fee.urv.cat/professors/AntonioQuesada/Curs1920/Cipolla_laws.pdf > for some help on the economic theory that applies here. > Clearly, we are in sector B2 here. > > Grüße, Carsten > > -- > 113attendees mailing list > 113attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/113attendees > -- > 113attendees mailing list > 113attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/113attendees
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