Re: [6lowpan] [ADs] AUTH48 [MF]: RFC 6282 <draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc-15.txt>

"Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com> Thu, 11 August 2011 07:58 UTC

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From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>
To: "Carsten Bormann" <cabo@tzi.org>, "Ralph Droms (rdroms)" <rdroms@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [6lowpan] [ADs] AUTH48 [MF]: RFC 6282 <draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc-15.txt>
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Carsten:

You do not understand. My observation is not about HC1's insufficiency.
It is about the fact that we agreed that the network we are talking
about is a "IEEE802.15.4-based network" as opposed to an "6LoWPAN".

Pascal


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carsten Bormann [mailto:cabo@tzi.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:25 PM
> To: Ralph Droms (rdroms)
> Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Megan Ferguson; 6lowpan; RFC Editor;
> 6lowpan-ads@tools.ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [6lowpan] [ADs] AUTH48 [MF]: RFC 6282
<draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc-
> 15.txt>
> 
> On Aug 10, 2011, at 20:15, Ralph Droms wrote:
> 
> > Following up on Pascal's observation, I looked through the entire
doc for
> occurrences of "6lopwan".  In my opinion, all of those occurrences
could be
> replaced with "IEEE802.15.4-based network"; in some cases s/the
> 6lowpan/an IEEE802.15.4-based network/   In either case, note the
lower-
> case "network".
> 
> Hmm, I'm not so sure that actually improves the text.  (Consistency is
the
> hob...)
> (I'm not even sure about Pascal's observation, because the reason for
the
> insufficiency of HC1 is not with IEEE802.15.4, but with the way we use
it in
> 6LoWPANs.)
> 
> I actually think Megan's most recent version is perfect, and we should
ship
> that.
> 
> Gruesse, Carsten
> 
> >
> > Not meaning to delay the publication process further, but I think we
should
> take a second to consider consistency...
> >
> > - Ralph
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:04 PM 8/9/11, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Megan
> >>
> >> I think that for consistency:
> >>
> >>  LOWPAN_HC1 and LOWPAN_HC2 are insufficient for most practical uses
> of
> >>  IPv6 in 6LoWPANs.  LOWPAN_HC1 is most effective for link-local
> >>
> >> Should also become
> >>
> >>  LOWPAN_HC1 and LOWPAN_HC2 are insufficient for most practical uses
> of
> >>  IPv6 in IEEE 802.15.4-Based Networks. LOWPAN_HC1 is most effective
> >> for link-local
> >>
> >> Don't you think?
> >>
> >> Pascal
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Megan Ferguson [mailto:mferguson@amsl.com]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 5:02 PM
> >>> To: Carsten Bormann; Ralph Droms (rdroms); Pascal Thubert
(pthubert)
> >>> Cc: 6lowpan; RFC Editor; 6lowpan-ads@tools.ietf.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [6lowpan] [ADs] AUTH48 [MF]: RFC 6282
> >> <draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc-
> >>> 15.txt>
> >>>
> >>> Carsten, Pascal, and *ADs,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for your reply.  We have updated the title as requested.
> >> Please
> >>> note that we have also updated the expansion of 6LoWPAN (in the
text)
> >> to
> >>> match that in the title of RFC 4919.  Additionally, we have
updated
> >> the short
> >>> title that appears in the running header of the document (this is
best
> >>> reviewed in the text file below).  Please review and approve these
> >> updates
> >>> or let us know if a different approach in either of these
additional
> >> updates
> >>> would be preferable.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc6282-lastdiff.html
> >>>
> >>> The text, XML, and comprehensive diff files are viewable at:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc6282.txt
> >>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc6282.xml
> >>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc6282-diff.html
> >>>
> >>> Note that it may be necessary for you to refresh your browser to
view
> >>> the most recent version of the document.  Please review the
document
> >>> carefully to ensure satisfaction as we do not make changes once
the
> >>> document has been published as an RFC.
> >>>
> >>> Upon careful review, please contact us with any further updates or
> >> with
> >>> your approval of the document in its current form.
> >>>
> >>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc6282
> >>>
> >>> Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> RFC Editor/mf
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> OK, I have reread all the messages, and I'm now ready to declare
a
> >> (rough)
> >>> consensus for
> >>>>
> >>>> 	Compression Format for IPv6 Datagrams over IEEE 802.15.4-based
> >>> Networks
> >>>>
> >>>> (with an ever so slight edge for the -based, which is different
from
> >> RFC
> >>> 4944, but "Datagrams" is different, too).
> >>>>
> >>>> While there were a number of voices for keeping 6LoWPAN in the
title
> >> (as
> >>> in RFC 4919), there did not seem to be consensus for that.
> >>>>
> >>>> I apologize for holding up this RFC for so long for what is
pretty
> >> much a
> >>> bikeshed color issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> And, yes, I'm slowly getting back to IETF work, and will try to
> >> start popping
> >>> the stack.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gruesse, Carsten
> >>>>
> >>