Re: [86attendees] Pie?
Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com> Thu, 14 March 2013 19:57 UTC
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From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com>
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I looked over the tau-manifesto, and am even more convinced now that the most natural constant is neither pi nor 2 pi, but pi/2. Let's call that L (note the right angle of pi/2 radians). L is much more fundamental than either pi or tau. When you first learn trigonometry you understand angles as fractions of a right angle, and the trigonometric functions as ratios of sides of right triangles. In this usage the natural measure is L = pi/2. And of course, sin^-1(x) + cos^-1(x) = L, and tan^-1(x) + cot^-1(x) = L. And think of how this simplifies so many other formulas. For example, Integral_0^infinity (1 / 1 + x^2) dx = L Integral_0^a (1 / sqrt(a^2 - x^2) dx = L Integral_0^infinity tan(x) / x dx = L Integral_0^1 sin^-1(x) / x dx = L * ln(2) Integral_0^infinity (e^x + 1 / e^x - 1) dx = L^2 And I could go on and on. In my view, the only serious contender to being more simple is V = pi / 4, but never the hideous tau = 2 * pi. The only problem is that on L day you get a quarter of a pizza instead of a whole pie. Y(J)S -----Original Message----- From: 86attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:86attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tim Shepard Sent: 14 March, 2013 16:22 To: Andrew Mcgregor Cc: Stephane Bortzmeyer; Robin Wilton; Jon Hudson; Scott Brim; 86attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [86attendees] Pie? The natural constant is the ratio of the circumference to the radius. That we wound up with pi which is the ratio of the circumference to the diameter was a mistake. If you're not already aware of this, read the Tau Manifesto at: http://tauday.com/tau-manifesto (And if that is tl;dr for you, just skip to section 3 that discusses the formula for area of the circle.) (Be glad that we got the definition of a radian right.) You still have more than 3 months left to make plans for your celebration of this natural constant on June 28. -Tim Shepard shep@alum.mit.edu _______________________________________________ 86attendees mailing list 86attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/86attendees
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