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Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Mon, 17 July 2017 11:29 UTC

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​Protocol design is not that hard. All you have to do is to recognize that
a Wireless protocol such as WiFi cannot use the same connection
configuration mechanism as a wired protocol such as Ethernet.

Implicit in act of connecting to an ethernet network is authentication of
the network source and agreement to terms of service (by physical
presence). Failure to recognize the need to make explicit is the handbasket
in which the WiFi world has chosen to ride us into hell.
​


On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Andrew McGregor <andrewmcgr@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Protocol design is harder; most wifi problems are protocol issues in the
> MAC layer not RF issues. Especially hard is security.
>
> On 17 Jul. 2017 10:58 am, "Randy Bush" <randy@psg.com> wrote:
>
>> > I find it depends where you're at in the hotel. The last 2 times we
>> > were here, I had to bring an airport express with me, because the wifi
>> > network sucked my will to live. This time, I'm finding I don't need
>> > it, and wifi is fine (I too have a mac). As with those last 2 times,
>> > folks in different parts of the hotel had different experiences. It
>> > would seem that this time might be no different.
>>
>> RF design is hard
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