Re: [Acme] Issue: Allow ports other than 443

Niklas Keller <me@kelunik.com> Wed, 25 November 2015 19:18 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Acme] Issue: Allow ports other than 443
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It's an issue with shared hosting where users have shell access but no root
access.

2015-11-24 17:49 GMT+01:00 Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>:

> Yes, thanks, Yoav.  Apologies to Randy and Kathleen for my terseness.
>
> Eliot
>
>
> On 11/24/15 5:46 PM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> > I think Eliot meant RFC 5785 /.well-known/ locations, rather than well
> known ports
> >
> > Yoav
> >
> >> On 24 Nov 2015, at 6:37 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <
> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree with Eliot, I don't think a scan is needed to make a decision
> >> here.  Having managed several networks that would not have allowed you
> >> access from some random scanner, I don't think you'll get all the data
> >> you are looking for.  In a well managed network, the IDS/IPS should
> >> detect that it is a scan and block all future probes once you hit a
> >> small number of ports/IPs.  So you may get a small sample with
> >> everything else failing within an address block.  Granted, not all
> >> networks are managed well and you may get a good amount of data.
> >>
> >> If this connection was expected to a few servers, then a network
> >> manager might just allow those only on the assigned port.
> >>
> >> Without any hat on, I agree that a port + 443 as an alternate is a good
> plan.
> >>
> >> Kathleen
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> >>>> Isn't this precisely what .well-known was meant to address?
> >>> fun small research project.  what percentage of well-known ports can
> >>> you connect to from the outside to a machine inside cisco?  hell, to
> >>> what percentage of well-known ports outside cisco can you reach from
> >>> inside?
> >>>
> >>> well-known does not correlate well with open to access by IT security
> >>> departments.
> >>>
> >>> randy
> >>>
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> >> --
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Kathleen
> >>
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