Re: [Add] draft-arkko-abcd-distributed-resolver-selection

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Sun, 22 March 2020 05:12 UTC

Return-Path: <sayrer@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: add@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: add@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CF93A0C90 for <add@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 21 Mar 2020 22:12:24 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.097
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nFHb6shtbHv8 for <add@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 21 Mar 2020 22:12:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-io1-xd35.google.com (mail-io1-xd35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18ECE3A0C8F for <add@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Mar 2020 22:12:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-io1-xd35.google.com with SMTP id v3so10686520iot.11 for <add@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Mar 2020 22:12:17 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=R/jHxh8PKTixJZuZ8XJM4EtrxFyAceYqL8e4qmCvZtY=; b=vd+FX2XhgcD+3mn+45wJfDxiW5ZCDhOxOQNTax+OT5mZ5Vw2bznMhPIMOZNwM/Tosu YzJdtW40uU5NsnBgk+9qE8Xs8STdEpQ0ceFkBT+9d78YG5S57hqZb8UdMMBHPhUhiQ6w aE3dnbFfAMUJasejxiSZxtLAbnUGqeXXfjm0rN4wSyJt4XY2gq82wgqz5/OQgWPK1iWK O7u8gM8UI1SMpZ59PdUyuiCN9aIR4004LK6alnR6KyP1UBVdMmhZzeICLGetYXlCZB4M mDAUnblmcpdNdOj+5AziqCmxjLuH+FQeNjd7Y4vwaH67yv7rWinOBVTOegmnMKHwUbw4 sPZw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=R/jHxh8PKTixJZuZ8XJM4EtrxFyAceYqL8e4qmCvZtY=; b=DxCRi+/2iupKYVB/SoY8D5clgJ2nlWWJM0Ft7SF5jMlkB08Q6IfcP56+5XkzehKJbf uHUy0YWx1cL38b9YuyE6KEzkuVYbzR6SjOLYnJlzHj5V3BvQKr+26WVBXjaIb2J7A4o/ 8pXZlDGMFgeNN2gLjvHfJ3M4fho/Xq1lgi2Wfu9AuvCHMjHJcZdAeNINOe+frQMZY51w pVcruEcJxBNybFTXZ4TcpHriH2682jje3gfqyCcW+iO3aMVRHBkGH5sSSPkA4ovMQN6R paF+a6fno3WmOU8iTiJwHpYHFuU0gPekmSOv8svixkmYmMigtyP1jZAoAgomWtYKG0jm msJw==
X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ1ly/UePD1DOW0G5B+//MO+4Hdsn9dPJcy9Rxi8hsKON4H9CIEa NailhaU32r7qTOWldj2CGNPjmpZ3EoGOtW/Glas=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vsOHXbTQC6U8J6WN7syrmEnXnnAZ5rVxDNDNJAEe4q8O5pO7Ck1wMpwfraSa1qV6pvZLkDKH1tN8K/Af7jmXko=
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:733:: with SMTP id j19mr14459794jad.131.1584853937169; Sat, 21 Mar 2020 22:12:17 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <CA+9kkMDvX7e0WkRMmJtf33GwMQQ1rAGny87UwneA6znCom_85Q@mail.gmail.com> <CACJ6M17rjhta9rqFHAJ_JaugRiCR7xvAChww0uO912-NayQwEQ@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CACJ6M17rjhta9rqFHAJ_JaugRiCR7xvAChww0uO912-NayQwEQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 22:12:04 -0700
Message-ID: <CAChr6SyQKAd0iGNO6K7O7agFW5=kLi0HHrTjpf7we-FHC82juA@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Chris Box (BT)" <chris.box.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>, ADD Mailing list <add@ietf.org>, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>, Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f2283905a16a8ff3"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/add/pVOUD456O7KCWP_BOL8dydeZUrE>
Subject: Re: [Add] draft-arkko-abcd-distributed-resolver-selection
X-BeenThere: add@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Applications Doing DNS <add.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/add>, <mailto:add-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/add/>
List-Post: <mailto:add@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:add-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/add>, <mailto:add-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 05:12:25 -0000

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 11:23 AM Chris Box (BT) <chris.box.ietf@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> If I compare the above to the set of perspectives outlined in ICANN
> SAC109, my expectation is that the resulting net change in the ability to
> meet their needs is as follows:
>
> 4.1 (Parents):  Negative
> 4.2 (Enterprise Network Managers):  Negative
>

Items 4.1 and 4.2 are pretend security.  Just take a Google Pixel phone and
turn on the built-in VPN.

I know some people will jump in and say "but the regulators!". That is both
off-topic for this list, and ultimately contemptuous of whomever they think
will buy that line.


> 4.3 (Dissidents, Protesters and Others):  Positive
>

I would say neutral, since they probably don't rely on clear text DNS.


> 4.4 (Internet Service Providers):  Negative
>

Why would that be?

thanks,
Rob