Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works?
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Fri, 14 July 2017 23:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works?
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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > But On 14/07/2017 18:13, Eliot Lear wrote: ... >> I made my comment in the context of a possible interface collision in >> your diagram. Those had to do with the autonomic nodes, not the >> proxies, as I understand things. To avoid those sorts of collisions, >> it seems like using the h/w address remains sensible. A collision in >> those circumstances would be extremely unlikely, whereas relying on >> poor PRNG almost assures it of happening. These devices are likely to >> have very little entropy available to them. > And they may well be BRSKI pledges, just not using GRASP for discovery. > So Eliot's point seems valid (but not an issue for ANIMA alone). 7217 says: RID = F(Prefix, Net_Iface, Network_ID, DAD_Counter, secret_key) only the secret_key is really unique, and perhaps that's what you are worrying about? secret_key: A secret key that is not known by the attacker. The secret key SHOULD be of at least 128 bits. It MUST be initialized to a pseudo-random number (see [RFC4086] for randomness requirements for security) when the operating system is installed or when the IPv6 protocol stack is "bootstrapped" for the first time. As the secret_key should be generated when the system is "installed" or "first bootstrapped", I'm not sure the PRNG quality at runtime. It seems to me like the secret_key should be set at manufacturer time on the "bed-of-nails" or other JTAG point, at the same time when the BRSKI IDevID and (perhaps) MASA anchors are loaded. If those things are in a TPM, then the secret_key could be there too. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [
- [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Eliot Lear
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Eliot Lear
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Eliot Lear
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Eliot Lear
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Eliot Lear (elear)
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Is this how BRSKI/IPIP works? Max Pritikin (pritikin)