Re: [Anima] Handling of endpoint path names (from BRSKI-AE discussion today)

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Thu, 30 July 2020 16:11 UTC

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 18:11:42 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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Subject: Re: [Anima] Handling of endpoint path names (from BRSKI-AE discussion today)
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Thanks Steffen

Maybe here is a good logic:

The short document would not need to be an Update as long as we do not want to eliminate
the old /est URLs. 

Aliasing should be easy enough. The main goal of the small document would the be to be
what Michael called an Extension as the bassis for for that does not expect to to demand
EST. Like BRSKI-AE. And the reason for not doing this solely in BRSKI-AE might be
that such other document migth not want to reference all of BRSKI-AE.

I am just making this up as i go as proposals of waht would give us the smoothest rides
hrough the process with the only difference to the likely position of BRSKI-AE authors
being that i would also like to think about the smooth ride for other BRSKI extension documents.

Lets hope others will have even better opinions on the thread.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 03:46:09PM +0000, Fries, Steffen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Based on the discussion of splitting up the voucher handling endpoint naming issues from BRSKI-AE today, I just wanted to ensure I got the way forward right. 
> >From the Etherpad discussion I understood Michael that he would not be too happy with having a BRSKI update right after BRSKI publication as RFC. I think finalizing the discussion on the list was advised.
> 
> What we discussed in the WG meeting was to have a separate short document, basically defining a renaming or alternatively an alias for the current endpoints, which allows to keep the current implementations as is. 
> Hence, the draft would relate to all of the endpoints defined in section 5 of BRSKI for the domain registrar facing the pledge (and potentially also the MASA), which are: 
> /.well-known/est/requestvoucher	used by pledge to registrar but also from registrar to MASA
> /.well-known/est/voucher_status	used by pledge to registrar
> /.well-known/est/requestauditlog	used by registrar to MASA
> /.well-known/est/enrollstatus		used by pledge to registrar
> 
> >From Toerless I understood that he would like to not change the current draft as it is already in the final state and rather provide an update as separate document.
> >From Michael I understood he would not be keen on having a fast update for the BRSKI document. At least not for a renaming of the defined endpoints. Also the IESG may view this as too fast. 
> Eliot stated that there are already implementations out there that utilize the /est approach. So having aliases could be one way of dealing with it, but this would double the endpoints at least for the four stated ones above. 
> 
> Both approaches have there merits. Having the endpoints distinct from the beginning allows a clearer separation of the functionalities, for the pledge and for server side handling. Specifically if we later on allow for alternative enrollment protocols in BRSKI-AE and define the discovery approach, it will lead to less confusion to align the naming with the corresponding functionality. From that perspective, my gut feeling would be that an integration into base BRSKI may be more appropriate. On the contrary, it will slow down the process, but somebody stated that there are examples that these changes have been also done in the past and could be done fast. 
> 
> What do you suggest as way forward? 
> 
> Best regards
> Steffen
> 
> 
> --
> Steffen Fries
> Siemens AG, Corporate Technology
> mailto:steffen.fries@siemens.com

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