Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-constrained-join-proxy-15.txt
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Subject: Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-constrained-join-proxy-15.txt
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A first comment / question here: in IETF 118, it was proposed to focus the discovery methods for Constrained BRSKI (draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher) only on a single mechanism and leave further alternatives to future work (like GRASP and mDNS). We didn't specifically discuss this aspect for the Constrained Join Proxy draft - do we need to do the same thing here and so take out the GRASP discovery text? Or are we sufficiently confident the GRASP definition is okay and valuable to have already now included in a draft? In that case we may leave it in. Esko -----Original Message----- From: Anima <anima-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Michael Richardson Sent: Monday, November 6, 2023 15:24 To: anima@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-constrained-join-proxy-15.txt internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > Title: Join Proxy for Bootstrapping of Constrained Network Elements > Authors: Michael Richardson Peter van der Stok Panos Kampanakis Name: > draft-ietf-anima-constrained-join-proxy-15.txt Pages: 26 Dates: > 2023-11-06 ... > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-ietf-anima-constrained-join-proxy-15 This is a repost of the I-D, because it expired. This version includes partial work on the IoT-Directorate review comments received in August, and which are still issues: https://github.com/anima-wg/constrained-join-proxy/issues So the work is just not done yet. There are a number of pull requests, some rather old, which I need to clean up and/or merge: https://github.com/anima-wg/constrained-join-proxy/pulls Your comments are of course, very welcome. It probably the case that there is need for some additional review/text based upon the new conversations about the discovery draft. It would be great if there are new eyes reading this document if they notice the mismatches. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- *I*LIKE*TRAINS*
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- Re: [Anima] brski-discovery vs constrained BRSKI … Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: [Anima] brski-discovery vs constrained BRSKI … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] brski-discovery vs constrained BRSKI … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] brski-discovery vs constrained BRSKI … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] brski-discovery vs constrained BRSKI … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] brski-discovery vs constrained BRSKI … Esko Dijk