Re: [Anima] brski-discovery vs constrained BRSKI (was: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-constrained-join-proxy-15.txt)

Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> Thu, 23 November 2023 15:17 UTC

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Comments: In-reply-to Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> message dated "Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:14:40 +0100."
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Subject: Re: [Anima] brski-discovery vs constrained BRSKI (was: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-constrained-join-proxy-15.txt)
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Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
    > Check the GRASP text in both drafts, i think the text in
    > constrained-join-proxy is more harmfull to move forward than the one in
    > constrained-voucher. So i would definitely like to see it removed, or i
    > would want to raise concerns about it (which i think we don't need to
    > spend time on to get the constrained docs out the door):

okay.

I won't get rfc8366bis to/past WGLC before January-ish, so everything is
going to wait for that anyway.  If we can sort other things out at the same
time, then I'm all for that.  I want to say that the first
constrained-voucher interop work was in Prague IETF... 2019.