Re: [Anima] brski-discovery vs constrained BRSKI (was: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-constrained-join-proxy-15.txt / draft-eckert-anima-brski-discovery-01 )

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 23 November 2023 19:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Anima] brski-discovery vs constrained BRSKI (was: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-constrained-join-proxy-15.txt / draft-eckert-anima-brski-discovery-01 )
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On 24-Nov-23 04:14, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
>      > I don't see a reason why GRASP should not work well on even further
>      > constrained devices.
> 
> I personally found GRASP way easier to implement in a constrained fashion than mDNS.

That's good to hear, and I guess that was one reason to make GRASP treat CBOR as its "native language". And as draft-eckert-anima-grasp-dnssd shows, once you represent DNS info in a CBOR (or JSON) style it becomes very straightforward to parse. I'm not sure that these advantages are widely understood outside ANIMA.

    Brian