Re: [Anima] [6tisch-security] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bootstrapping of IEEE 802.15.4 based Internet of Things
Tero Kivinen <kivinen@iki.fi> Tue, 03 February 2015 11:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Anima] [6tisch-security] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bootstrapping of IEEE 802.15.4 based Internet of Things
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Hedanping (Ana) writes: > > Because IEEE 802.15.4 maximum payload size is 128 Bytes, > > a standard security bootstrapping protocol should be > > light-weight with low complexity. The protocol must allow > > for commissioning of devices I was surprised that the > > draft then suggested EAP with PANA as a transport: If EAP > > is used, PANA can be used to relay the authentication > > message from configured FFDs to 6LBR. If the validation > > is successful, the IP address and network key are > > generated and delivered to the FFD. But, EAP-TLS with > > PANA is exactly what the Zigbee IP specification has > > specified. Do you envision any changes from that > > specification? > > Zigbee IP specification was developed to enable IP address for > Zigbee application, thus the protocol stack are built on IETF's > standards, including EAP-TLS. > As discussed in many working groups, TLS might result in a > significant amount of retransmissions due to unreliable > communication capability of the network and device, thus energy will > be consumed fast. > I think EAP over DTLS /profiled DTLS could be a good option. There is work going on in the IEEE 802.15.9 task group which specifies the key management for 802.15.4, or more specifically it will specify a way to transport existing key management protocols over the 802.15.4 frames. This would allow running for example IKEv2 + EAP over the 802.15.4 and generate keys for 802.15.4 security and then protect all messages between the two nodes. In normal case this would be run even before the IEEE 802.15.4 assocation is done, i.e. immediately after the beacon before doing the association, and would allow protecting the association process too. For this uses the IKEv2 + EAP would be most likely quite good, i.e. the IKEv2 frames would be exchange between the peer joining the network and its next hop router, and inside those IKEv2 frames there would be EAP messages, which are then relayed to the AAA server (trust center TC in draft-he-iot-security-bootstrapping-00) for actual authentication. The 802.15.9 is now in letter ballot phase in IEEE, meaning we should be finished quite soon. One issue there is that, during the 802.15.9 work we noticed some issues with 802.15.4 base specifciation which have been worked on in the 802.15.4 maintenance revision process, and we need to wait for it to finish before 802.15.9 can finish... Most likely both of those will finish before the end of year. -- kivinen@iki.fi
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Hedanping (Ana)
- Re: [Anima] [6tisch-security] [6lo] Comments need… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… peter van der Stok
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… peter van der Stok
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Kent Watsen
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Hedanping (Ana)
- [Anima] Device vs network bootstrapping [Comments… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Behcet Sarikaya
- [Anima] Thread [Comments needed for Security Boot… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Thread [Comments needed for Sec… Ralph Droms
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Thread [Comments needed for Sec… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Device vs network bootstrapping… Hedanping (Ana)
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Hedanping (Ana)
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… peter van der Stok
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Device vs network bootstrapping… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Device vs network bootstrapping… Kent Watsen
- Re: [Anima] [6tisch-security] [6lo] Comments need… Thomas Watteyne
- Re: [Anima] [6tisch-security] [6lo] Device vs net… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Robert Cragie
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Comments needed for Security Bo… Paul Duffy
- Re: [Anima] [6tisch-security] [6lo] Device vs net… Kris Pister
- Re: [Anima] Thread [Comments needed for Security … Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Thread [Comments needed for Sec… Ralph Droms
- Re: [Anima] Thread [Comments needed for Security … Brian E Carpenter
- [Anima] (Fair) competition in pursuing ideas and … Rene Struik
- Re: [Anima] (Fair) competition in pursuing ideas … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] (Fair) competition in pursuing ideas … Sheng Jiang
- Re: [Anima] (Fair) competition in pursuing ideas … Rene Struik
- Re: [Anima] (Fair) competition in pursuing ideas … Sheng Jiang
- Re: [Anima] Thread [Comments needed for Security … Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Anima] (Fair) competition in pursuing ideas … Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Anima] (Fair) competition in pursuing ideas … Robert Cragie
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Thread [Comments needed for Sec… Oliver Hahm
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Thread [Comments needed for Sec… Alper Yegin
- Re: [Anima] [6lo] Thread [Comments needed for Sec… Carsten Bormann