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Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Fri, 01 March 2024 12:24 UTC

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From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: 'Jay Daley' <jay@staff.ietf.org>, antitrust-policy@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [antitrust-policy] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-08.txt
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Thanks, Jay.

I have not been following this list, so your email acted as a trigger to
read -08

Thanks for writing it (with Joel). It is a useful thing to have published.

A few very minor points below.

Cheers,
Adrian

===

I think a key piece of advice is missing (yes, I see 4.2). It may be too
obvious, but surely you should be saying "individuals are recommended to
seek legal advice" somewhere highly prominent. For example, lifting and
tweaking a paragraph from BCP79 and placing it at the end of Section 1...

   This document is not intended as legal advice.  Readers are advised
   to consult their own legal advisors if they would like a legal
   interpretation of antitrust laws, the risks, and their responsibilities.

---

Section 3
      The established conflict of interest policies, such as the IESG
      Conflict of Interest Policy, the IAB Conflict of Interest Policy
      or the IETF LLC Conflict of Interest Policy, if and when
      applicable.

- These could really use references.
- Maybe add the ISE's COI at https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/independent/

---

4.3

    via the IETF LLC whistleblower service

It is great that you mention this, but the reader is left wondering where
and how.
Maybe add a pointer to
https://www.ietf.org/about/administration/policies-procedures/whistleblower/
or direct to
https://secure.ethicspoint.com/domain/media/en/gui/71269/index.html 

---




-----Original Message-----
From: antitrust-policy <antitrust-policy-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jay
Daley
Sent: 29 February 2024 21:56
To: antitrust-policy@ietf.org
Cc: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
Subject: [antitrust-policy] Fwd: New Version Notification for
draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-08.txt

Hi All

A new version of draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust is now available.

The only substantive change is that the previous section "Topics requiring
caution" has now been deleted.  In the previous version of this I-D, this
section covered two areas: the first began "Using unpublished market data to
evaluate the relative  implementation costs" and the second was "Entering
into potentially discriminatory, group negotiations of IPR terms".  These
are both complex areas where some behaviours are an antitrust risk and some
are not, but it has become clear that explaining where the difference lies
is not possible and all attempts so far have confused people and led to
mis-interpretation.

We understand that some on this list wanted this explained, while others
wanted this whole section deleted, but after much discussion we concluded
that deletion was our only option.

With this change, we consider this I-D ready to go to last call and will be
notifying the sponsoring AD of that view.  If you strongly disagree then
please speak up.

Jay

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Subject: New Version Notification for
draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-08.txt
> Date: 29 February 2024 at 21:15:36 GMT
> To: "Joel M. Halpern" <joel.halpern@ericsson.com>, "Jay Daley"
<jay@staff.ietf.org>, "Joel Halpern" <joel.halpern@ericsson.com>
> 
> A new version of Internet-Draft draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-08.txt
has
> been successfully submitted by Joel M. Halpern and posted to the
> IETF repository.
> 
> Name:     draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust
> Revision: 08
> Title:    Antitrust Guidelines for IETF Participants
> Date:     2024-02-29
> Group:    Individual Submission
> Pages:    8
> URL:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-08.txt
> Status:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust/
> HTML:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-08.html
> HTMLized:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust
> Diff:
https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrus
t-08
> 
> Abstract:
> 
>   This document provides education and guidance for IETF participants
>   on compliance with antitrust laws and how to reduce antitrust risks
>   in connection with IETF activities.
> 
> 
> 
> The IETF Secretariat
> 
> 

-- 
Jay Daley
IETF Executive Director
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