Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: Fwd: Civil suit; ftp shutdown; mailing list shutdown

"Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Fri, 07 October 2011 05:18 UTC

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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: Fwd: Civil suit; ftp shutdown; mailing list shutdown
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[I sent this to Unicode (where people are concerned because many of them 
are involved with localization, date formats, and so on, which quickly 
involves time zones), but think it may be of interest here, too.]

In terms of practical matters, two points seem important to me:

First, to ask the judge for a temporary permission (there's a better 
legal term, but IANAL) to keep the database up until the law suit is 
settled (because the database is probably down now due to a temporary 
order from the judge to that effect) because of its high practical 
importance.

Second, what seems to be in dispute is data about old history. While 
this is important for some applications, in most applications, present 
and new data is much more important, so one way to avoid problems would 
be to publish only new data at some new place until the case is settled. 
That would mean that applications would have to be checked for whether 
they need the old data or not. Or to only publish diffs (which would be 
about new, present-day data not from the source under litigation).

Regards,   Martin.

On 2011/10/07 8:24, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote:
> Forwarded to the IETF because we are also affected, and we may also be
> able to help out.
> http://blog.joda.org/2011/10/today-time-zone-database-was-closed.html
> seems to have some more information.
>
> Regards, Martin.
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Fwd: Civil suit; ftp shutdown; mailing list shutdown
> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:38:59 -0700
> From: Deborah Goldsmith <goldsmit@apple.com>
> To: Unicode Core List
>
> Can we set up a temporary replacement mailing list and publicize it?
>
> Debbie
>
> Begin forwarded message:
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>> Resent-From: tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov
>> From: "Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E]" <olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov>
>> Subject: Civil suit; ftp shutdown; mailing list shutdown
>> Date: October 6, 2011 8:16:02 AM PDT
>> To: "'tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov'" <tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov>
>> Reply-To: tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov
>>
>> A civil suit was filed on September 30 in federal court in Boston; I'm
>> a defendant; the case involves the time zone database.
>>
>> The ftp server at elsie.nci.nih.gov has been shut down.
>>
>> The mailing list will be shut down after this message.
>>
>> Electronic mail can be sent to me at arthurdavidolson@gmail.com.
>>
>> I hope there will be better news shortly.
>>
>> --ado
>>
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