Re: rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingham-http-link-header-07.txt
Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Fri, 05 February 2010 12:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingham-http-link-header-07.txt
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Roy T. Fielding wrote: > On Feb 3, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > >> At the moment, my intent is to remove 'rev' from the BNF and state how new parameters can be added (either by updating the document, for parameters common to many relation types, or on a per-type / per-application basis). > > I think we are going around in circles. The normal way to document a > deprecated protocol feature is to include it in the ABNF and state > that it is deprecated in the prose. Just like obs-text in HTTP. > Otherwise, we'll just keep getting asked "what happened to rev?" Indeed. > ... > A reverse link would show up as a potential transition from B if > you are currently at B. That terminology is from hypertext research > where link servers would maintain a database of all links. That is > why the HTML4 definition is confusing to folks who have worked with > traditional hypertext systems, since the Web does not maintain reverse > links (other than via external services like a CMS or Google). > > Anyways, it doesn't matter whether people are confused or not. > What matters is that the HTML2 definition of rev defines how the > technology actually works, whereas the HTML4 definition adds a > bunch of hand-waving and then misuses hypertext terminology in > order to explain what it "means" -- the result is neither technically > correct nor consistent with other hypertext systems, even if it > can be read the same way if we twist our heads a certain direction, > close one eye, and pretend we are in Kansas. > ... HTML5 doesn't have rev anymore anyway (well, unless the WG changes this again) So why don't we just say that "rev" means what HTML2 used to say, and be done with it? BR, Julian
- Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-nottingham-… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-notting… Julian Reschke
- Re: New Version Notification - draft-nottingham-h… Jan Algermissen
- anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingham… Julian Reschke
- rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingham-ht… Julian Reschke
- parameter quoting - LC comment on draft-nottingha… Julian Reschke
- editorial LC comments on draft-nottingham-http-li… Julian Reschke
- exposing sensitive information in URIs - LC comme… Julian Reschke
- Re: parameter quoting - LC comment on draft-notti… Julian Reschke
- Re: New Version Notification - draft-nottingham-h… Mike Burrows
- Re: New Version Notification - draft-nottingham-h… Subbu Allamaraju
- Re: parameter quoting - LC comment on draft-notti… Mike Burrows
- Re: anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottin… Mark Nottingham
- Re: parameter quoting - LC comment on draft-notti… Mark Nottingham
- Re: rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingha… Mark Nottingham
- Re: editorial LC comments on draft-nottingham-htt… Mark Nottingham
- Re: New Version Notification - draft-nottingham-h… Mark Nottingham
- Re: anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottin… Julian Reschke
- Re: parameter quoting - LC comment on draft-notti… Julian Reschke
- Re: rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingha… Julian Reschke
- Re: New Version Notification - draft-nottingham-h… Subbu Allamaraju
- Re: New Version Notification - draft-nottingham-h… Jan Algermissen
- Re: anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottin… Mark Nottingham
- Re: New Version Notification - draft-nottingham-h… Mark Nottingham
- Re: exposing sensitive information in URIs - LC c… Mark Nottingham
- Re: New Version Notification - draft-nottingham-h… Subbu Allamaraju
- Re: anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottin… Julian Reschke
- Re: editorial LC comments on draft-nottingham-htt… Mark Nottingham
- Re: rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingha… Mark Nottingham
- Re: rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingha… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingha… Julian Reschke
- Re: rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingha… Mark Nottingham
- Re: anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottin… Mark Nottingham
- Re: rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingha… Julian Reschke
- Re: anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottin… Julian Reschke
- Re: rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingha… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingha… Mark Nottingham
- Re: rev parameter - LC comment on draft-nottingha… Julian Reschke
- Re: anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottin… Mark Nottingham
- Re: anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottin… Julian Reschke
- Re: anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottin… Mark Nottingham
- Re: anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottin… Julian Reschke
- Re: anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottin… Mark Nottingham
- Re: anchor parameter - LC comment on draft-nottin… Julian Reschke